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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]These posts are so dumb.  So much hand wringing about how other women choose to lose weight.  Why do you even care? It's like the same as those women who crow about how other women shouldn't have abortions.  Like why do they even care? You're against abortion? Then don't have one.  You're against GLP1s? Then don't take them.  Who gives a flying F if someone else does?  At least the abortion crazies have the whole "you're killing a baby" argument.  What do the GLP1 crazies have?  [/quote]

You're calling the people who are recommending caution "the GLP crazies"?  I think you have it backwards.  There is constant proselytizing, really, like they are new converts to a religion.[/quote]

It has gotten to the point where people are almost being shamed for avoiding unnecessary medical intervention. The converts cannot possibly imagine the idea that medical interventions such as GLP1 medications actually have trade offs and potential downsides. Why control your weight on your own, actually build muscle mass, eat real food, and increase your cardio vascular health when you can just short cut the whole system to “look good”? [/quote]
It's more complicated than that, and you're not helping by portraying GLP users as lazy, gluttonous cheaters.  I used to believe that anyone could control their weight on their own with diet and exercise.  It always worked perfectly for me, until I was put on medications that cause weight gain and insulin resistance.  A lot of people are in a similar boat.  GLPs have their place when used responsibly and under the supervision of a real doctor.  [/quote]

I won't disagree with any of that. I will disagree with the original premise of this thread to use these medications for vanity weight.

The population that falls into this category for obesity is very small:  I was put on medications that cause weight gain and insulin resistance.
The population that are using these medications to mask our food system and lifestyle culture and their own unwillingness to spend the time and effort to navigate around it is huge.[/quote]

PP here.  To be fair, food/overeating addiction is also a problem for a lot of people.  Obesity is a huge health issue, and if the GLPs are the most effective way for people to reach and maintain a healthy weight, then so be it.

It's tough to have a productive conversation about GLPs, since a large chunk of the population seems to feel that users are cheating and don't deserve to be at a normal, healthy weight.  [/quote]

That's fair. But its also instructive to recognize that the constant victim mentality is also a core problem. Any discussion of suboptimality and pointing out actual FACTS - must be an allegation of cheating. Can't control your weight - I am a victim of the food system. It never ends.

The truth is human biology works in a very predictable way. So does life. Things worth doing are hard. You want the body to adapt, you have to force the adaptation. That's how it works. Want to run a marathon - gotta run a lot. Want the human body to control its own blood sugar - get rid of the adipose tissue, build muscle mass, and intake energy in line with your energy demands. The vast majority of people can do all these things, and it would be far more optimal to do it in line with how the body works on its own. Particularly on the edges of overweight as compared to dangerous obesity. [/quote]

For your first paragraph, the truth is that you have no idea what is going on in other people's lives and why they can't manage their weight.  It's not helpful in any way for you to judge who deserves a GLP vs. who is "just lazy."  I used to be just like you when my body responded appropriately to diet and exercise.  I assumed that anyone could be at a healthy weight if they were sufficiently disciplined.  The reality is that weight is much more complicated than a CICO approach.  There are any number of reasons why metabolisms can basically be broken.  Maybe try giving people some grace.

For the second point, the human body worked in a predictable way before additives and hormones were added to food, the environment was polluted with all kinds of things, and a goodly chunk of the population was put on various medications.  I would assume that between mental health meds, breast cancer meds, and a lot of other things out there, quite a lot of people are on medications that cause weight gain.

I agree with you that going on a GLP for vanity weight loss is a bad idea, and people should at least try to lose weight through natural means.  But if all else fails, GLPs when approved and monitored by a doctor can be a great thing.[/quote]

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