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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Sigh. Repeating for the people who think they are discovering something novel. The US is a terrible place to be poor but ok if you are rich (though that is getting to be debatable). Europe is a good place to be if you are middle income or poor. The rich try to shelter. [/quote]

Europe still sucks to be poor, it’s just that more people are poor so you don’t feel as bad because everyone else is in the same boat. And it’s harder to become not poor. Reduced class mobility, more entrenched aristocratic wealth over there. They tax labor like crazy but barely touch capital generated income. [/quote]

Estonia has more social mobility than the US.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/social-mobility-by-country

Some European countries are lower than the US, but most are well above it. [/quote]

I have a very difficult time believing social mobility in the UK is at or more than in the US - at least socially, once you are working class (or whatever) You are ALWAYS that class.[/quote]

but you can still have a cute 3 bedroom flat/5 bed attached home on Hampstead heath/kingston/croydon on a train line 15 minutes from one of the main hubs (Waterloo, etc) a car per driver & bursting closets stuffed full of garbage from Oliver bonas just like your american counterparts! but you can also jet off to morocco for the weekend.

Im Pakistani and all my family who lived in London now live in single family homes, some listed- or in attached homes in very cute market towns. there lives aren't really all that different down in Surrey than ours here.  And these people were immigrants in the 1970s, fathers were sleeping 5 to a room or struggling through med school. they don't go to Winchester, eaton etc for school but they do go to Cambridge, Oxford, LSE, SOAS  on fairly regular basis just like our pre Partition grandfathers did. id say that shows social mobility- our grandparents generation lost everything and our generation has thrived b/c of our parents hard work and this is true in the UK, Norway, USA, Canada and Australia.  All these places have social mobility but in the US it was easier and now it is harder- and life has become more expensive in the US than all the rest of these places. people used to prefer moving to the US but now don't b/c you can go from nothing to owning property and send your kids to the best institutions within a decade and that is increasingly out of reach for Americans unless you move to the boonies. [/quote]

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