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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]NP. I am one of the rare Democrats who correctly predicted Trump’s win in spring of 2016 and again in 2024.

What OP is getting at is directionally correct (the disillusionment with the status quo, for rise of populism) but where I think she is wrong is that as of yet, I don’t see that somewhat leftward populist shift reflecting in national election outcomes. The critical voters that Democrats need in swing states do not trust the Democratic Party at all, and certainly don’t see Democrats as any sort of “good guy.”

Democrats have an enormous trust hole to dig themselves out of before they can win national elections again. The voters they need see them as liars right now.

I am watching a few Democratic candidates around the country who show promise, although I think a party that relies on the lightning in a bottle that was Obama is ultimately doomed. But the situation isn’t entirely hopeless. Someone who can capitalize on what OP is observing without being tainted by the deep trust issues the party has would have a good shot. [/quote]
I’m not as pessimistic.  To be cynical, there are only two national parties, and always will be.  Even if people distrust Democrats (and I’m not sure that’s true), they’ll still vote blue in order to to kick out the vastly more unpopular Trump.[/quote]

PP here. Why on earth do you think Trump is more unpopular than the Democrats? There is no polling that shows that now. Polls now show Trump is unpopular but the Democratic Party is even more unpopular.

And I don’t know how you can’t see how distrusted the Democrats are at this point, but this is the same smug complacency that lost the presidency in 2024. I find it incredibly frustrating, because if you’d just open your eyes (where you refers to Democrats more generally), maybe we’d have a shot at winning again. [/quote]
Trump isn't running against "Democrats" - he will be running against a specific person.  I don't give a damn what polls say about political parties.  Polls have always shown that parties are unpopular but individual candidates still win.

As far as Democrats "learning lessons", I'm sick of apologizing for [b]our beliefs, which are communal, tolerant, and progressive.[/b]  If basic competence and decency is too much for voters, especially when compared to the Republic clown show, then screw them.   Democrats need to grow a backbone, not grovel to a bunch of people who are scared of trans people.[/quote]

But the Democratic leaders are not any of the bolded and neither are their beliefs. Not since Obama and even then, only in his first term. That’s why people like Trump can and do win: because voters simply don’t perceive Democratic candidates this way. The Democratic self-perception gap is just so gaping. [/quote]

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