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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]NP. I am one of the rare Democrats who correctly predicted Trump’s win in spring of 2016 and again in 2024.

What OP is getting at is directionally correct (the disillusionment with the status quo, for rise of populism) but where I think she is wrong is that as of yet, I don’t see that somewhat leftward populist shift reflecting in national election outcomes. The critical voters that Democrats need in swing states do not trust the Democratic Party at all, and certainly don’t see Democrats as any sort of “good guy.”

Democrats have an enormous trust hole to dig themselves out of before they can win national elections again. The voters they need see them as liars right now.

I am watching a few Democratic candidates around the country who show promise, although I think a party that relies on the lightning in a bottle that was Obama is ultimately doomed. But the situation isn’t entirely hopeless. Someone who can capitalize on what OP is observing without being tainted by the deep trust issues the party has would have a good shot. [/quote]
+1  I also predicted Trump would win, and I despise him with every fiber of my being.

Dems are out of touch with the common people.  Rs did a much better job pushing the message that the border was out of control, and Dems responded to it too little too late. I have been saying since Biden won (whom I voted for) that he needed to deal with the border issue in his first year. But, no, they waited too long for it.  Harris visiting the border did nothing.

I do think the Dems need new leadership.  Where the heck is Schumer and Pelosi?  These are the old guards that need to go.  They are doing nothing, at the same time, people don't trust them.  They are helping Rs by staying in power and doing nothing.

People wanted someone different, someone not in the establishment.  So, we got Trump, who is terrible for this country. Dems need to put someone else forward. Someone not in the establishment.  IMO, this is why Obama won.  And I didn't even vote for him the first time because I was a staunch R back then.  I did the second time.[/quote]

Agree, but “not the establishment” doesn’t mean what most Democrats think it means. To win, “not the establishment” means rank and file labor. It means working class workers, not privileging NGOs and illegal immigrants. It means nothing to do with DEI and woke (which are seen largely as tools of oppression used by ruling classes to suppress the working class). It means abandoning the incomprehensible language of academia for plain speaking. It means being very careful about pushing things like student loan forgiveness, which largely just favor the already-wealthy.

It means a sea change. And I don’t think leadership can stomach that. [/quote]
PP here, and totally agree. The student loan forgiveness did not sit well with most Americans.   It only helped a small proportion of Americans.  This is why Dems are so out of touch. They pick policies that help the small minority rather than focusing on the majority.   It's nice to try to help the minority, but that's not how you win a national election.

The majority of Americans don't have a college degree, yet, here they were, pushing college loan forgiveness, while ordinary Americans were struggling to pay rent, and buy food, or even afford college for their own kids.

Completely out of touch at the national level.  I hope to gawd they put someone who is more in touch with the ordinary people, and that's not AOC, sorry.[/quote]

Totally agree but I don’t think the Democratic leadership can accept this. It would mean accepting that most voters do not see them as good people. This requires more than a political realignment, it requires an ego alignment. I don’t think they can do it. [/quote]

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