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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Crates are not dens. In a den, the dog or animal can leave when they are thirsty to get a drink, or to get food, or to relieve themselves, or to run around if they feel like moving or to socialize. They decide when they want to be in the den and when they need or want to leave.

None of that can happen in a crate. The dog either has to relieve itself in its own space or hold it until they are let out. They have to go without food or water until that is supplied for them, they have to lie still in a small space until they are let out.

It seems there is some variation with different people thinking a few hours to most of the day is great for the dog and what the dog likes and wants, but a crate is never like a den. The point of a crate is that it is closed so that the dog can not do anything on its own. [b]If the door is open, then it isn't a crate.[/b] It is just a dog house made out of metal. [/quote]

And yet, a "housebroken" dog is expected to hold it until they are let out. Or do you let your dog piss/shit wherever, whenever? Do you free-feed your animal, giving it access to food all day long?

As for the linguistic yoga you try with the bolded, clearly you're just here to start a fight. You sound stupid af. Just go FO and pet your dog or something. This is obnoxious.[/quote]

Why do you think it is banned in Finland and Sweden and rare or not done many parts of the world?[/quote]

Cite your sources, PP. I don't know that it actually is "banned in Finland and Sweden" or "not done many parts of the world". A quick search on the subject only pulls reddit and a wixsite. Not exactly strong support for your claim[/quote]

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