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Anonymous wrote:I am currently sitting in the emergency vet waiting room because my puppy jumped from the floor to a chair to the counter, nosed open a cabinet door, and consumed an entire bottle of pills (with a child safety cap!) while I was was in the bathroom. 3 minutes, tops.

That is why people crate their dog. I should have crated him while I peed, but I was lazy and thought he’d be fine. He wasn’t fine. In that same time frame he could have chewed the electrical cord, chewed my couch, etc.

If you aren’t actively watching your puppy, they need to be safely contained or you risk being where I am. And this really, really sucks.

Sure, sure sure.

I say this with the utmost passion: F you.

I’d post the estimated vet bill but one of you crazies will call the emergency vet to verify and the staff doesn’t deserve to deal with that because they are slammed. In the 2.5 hours I’ve been here (since 6 pm) they’ve had a dog come in who ate rat poison, one who ate a bag of chocolate chips, and a third who got into a fight with their other dog over a found bag of crackers in the diaper bag while she was putting the baby down to bed. (Plus a seizing dog and a cat that was dropped on its head somehow )

I hope you never go through what we are going through because the guilt that I might lose my dog for something preventable sucks.

Crate your puppies when you aren’t watching them. It’s for their own safety.

Add to the above there are exceptions for transport and for animal illness or emergencies only.

In Sweden:
You can not enclose your dog in any crate or confined space with a door. You can close off an open space (room or hall). The dog must be able to freely move around.

Dogs must have water available at all times.

You can not leave a dog unattended for more than six hours

You can not tie up or tether your dog indoors

You cannot use bark collars / shock collars.

Crate training, like most dog training, isn't nearly as popular here as it needs to be. There's been a whole wave of ignorant idiots getting dogs, pretending they're "furkids" and letting them get up to all kinds of nonsense, ignoring not only sound training practices (crates, leashes, clickers) but laws (just read the nonsense in the "unofficial dog run" thread to see how entitled some people are).

Some of these tenderhearts seem to believe that only certain "aggressive breeds" (not an actual thing) require leashes, training and confinement, and that it's "mean" to keep their "good" dogs on leashes, in crates, etc. It's disturbing how little these types actually understand about the species they're working with, and annoying af to witness their indignant rage and entitlement when, inevitably, little fifi or fido causes problems for those of us trying to mind our dogs and our business responsibly.

Of course, there are some persistent trolls on this forum, starting/fueling threads for clicks or simply as ragebait. Welcome to DCUM.

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Anonymous wrote:For people who are opposed to crate training, how do you deal with non-routine vet visits where the dog needs to be crated?

I don't agree with crating a dog all day everyday by any means, but there should be a balance as situations will arise when a dog needs to be crated and if they can't handle that, what then?

Why would a dog need a cage for the vet? Just wrap a blanket around dog. If dog truly can only be moved with a cage, then it will be so sick it won’t care.

Lol. Clearly someone with no experience with Vet Med. The dogs who haven't learned the skill of relaxing in a crate (it is a teachable skill) have to be sedated beyond belief because they'll rip out their stitches, IV lines, tear that blanket to shreds and ingest it, become reactive with Vets and Techs and be generally unhinged, anxious nightmares.

Np. What are you talking about? I have a dog who has never been crated- I don’t like it- and she’s fine at the vet, loves car rides, etc.

Ever had to leave her at the vet? Or board her when you travel? Or do you hire a live-in round-the-clock petsitter?

Sure, I’ve boarded her. She’s fine. What’s the issue?

Didn't they "put her in a cage" then? Or did you send her to some crunchy granola "puppy home away from home" where she was coddled and cuddled all day and never put in one of those mean awful "cages"?

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Anonymous wrote:Crates are not dens. In a den, the dog or animal can leave when they are thirsty to get a drink, or to get food, or to relieve themselves, or to run around if they feel like moving or to socialize. They decide when they want to be in the den and when they need or want to leave.

None of that can happen in a crate. The dog either has to relieve itself in its own space or hold it until they are let out. They have to go without food or water until that is supplied for them, they have to lie still in a small space until they are let out.

It seems there is some variation with different people thinking a few hours to most of the day is great for the dog and what the dog likes and wants, but a crate is never like a den. The point of a crate is that it is closed so that the dog can not do anything on its own. If the door is open, then it isn't a crate. It is just a dog house made out of metal.

You think a puppy’s mom lets it leave whenever it wants? No.

Right?! It's so obvious that this nutter is trying to treat a dog like... something else. Is this some kind of new "free-range puppies" movement I was previously blissfully unaware of? Or is this just more fallout from people deciding they wanted a pandemic puppy and now they're trying to "modernize" dog training?

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Anonymous wrote:For people who are opposed to crate training, how do you deal with non-routine vet visits where the dog needs to be crated?

I don't agree with crating a dog all day everyday by any means, but there should be a balance as situations will arise when a dog needs to be crated and if they can't handle that, what then?

Why would a dog need a cage for the vet? Just wrap a blanket around dog. If dog truly can only be moved with a cage, then it will be so sick it won’t care.

Lol. Clearly someone with no experience with Vet Med. The dogs who haven't learned the skill of relaxing in a crate (it is a teachable skill) have to be sedated beyond belief because they'll rip out their stitches, IV lines, tear that blanket to shreds and ingest it, become reactive with Vets and Techs and be generally unhinged, anxious nightmares.

Np. What are you talking about? I have a dog who has never been crated- I don’t like it- and she’s fine at the vet, loves car rides, etc.

Ever had to leave her at the vet? Or board her when you travel? Or do you hire a live-in round-the-clock petsitter?

I don’t think many boarding kennels will agree to keep your dog in a cage for the duration of your trip even if you insist that is where they want to be and that is where they are safest and that you have trained them to love living in the cage.

I don’t know if the USA has regulations but the UK does that give space requirements (bigger than crates) and required exercise time and limits on time in any confined space. They definitely wouldn’t be allowed to keep dogs crated.

You really are a hardcore troll, or a simple idiot. The point isn't that your pet will be "living in the cage" (there you go with your insistence on the inflammatory language again, even though it's been pointed out before and you could suck less at this, if you wanted to). The point is that, at some point during boarding or veterinary care (especially overnights), your pet will be crated for its own safety. If it is crate trained, this will be a nothingburger. If you've done some wackadoodle "always by my side" mess and your dog has separation anxiety issues, this will be needlessly traumatizing.

And if you're going to keep claiming "they do it differently *gestures vaguely* over there" cite your sources.

Anonymous wrote:Crates are not dens. In a den, the dog or animal can leave when they are thirsty to get a drink, or to get food, or to relieve themselves, or to run around if they feel like moving or to socialize. They decide when they want to be in the den and when they need or want to leave.

None of that can happen in a crate. The dog either has to relieve itself in its own space or hold it until they are let out. They have to go without food or water until that is supplied for them, they have to lie still in a small space until they are let out.

It seems there is some variation with different people thinking a few hours to most of the day is great for the dog and what the dog likes and wants, but a crate is never like a den. The point of a crate is that it is closed so that the dog can not do anything on its own. If the door is open, then it isn't a crate. It is just a dog house made out of metal.

You think a puppy’s mom lets it leave whenever it wants? No.

Anonymous wrote:I am currently sitting in the emergency vet waiting room because my puppy jumped from the floor to a chair to the counter, nosed open a cabinet door, and consumed an entire bottle of pills (with a child safety cap!) while I was was in the bathroom. 3 minutes, tops.

That is why people crate their dog. I should have crated him while I peed, but I was lazy and thought he’d be fine. He wasn’t fine. In that same time frame he could have chewed the electrical cord, chewed my couch, etc.

If you aren’t actively watching your puppy, they need to be safely contained or you risk being where I am. And this really, really sucks.

I'm sorry, PP. I hope your dog will be okay! And yes, this is exactly why we have crates for animals and playpens for kids. It only takes a minute...

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Anonymous wrote:Crates are not dens. In a den, the dog or animal can leave when they are thirsty to get a drink, or to get food, or to relieve themselves, or to run around if they feel like moving or to socialize. They decide when they want to be in the den and when they need or want to leave.

None of that can happen in a crate. The dog either has to relieve itself in its own space or hold it until they are let out. They have to go without food or water until that is supplied for them, they have to lie still in a small space until they are let out.

It seems there is some variation with different people thinking a few hours to most of the day is great for the dog and what the dog likes and wants, but a crate is never like a den. The point of a crate is that it is closed so that the dog can not do anything on its own. If the door is open, then it isn't a crate. It is just a dog house made out of metal.

And yet, a "housebroken" dog is expected to hold it until they are let out. Or do you let your dog piss/shit wherever, whenever? Do you free-feed your animal, giving it access to food all day long?

As for the linguistic yoga you try with the bolded, clearly you're just here to start a fight. You sound stupid af. Just go FO and pet your dog or something. This is obnoxious.

Why do you think it is banned in Finland and Sweden and rare or not done many parts of the world?

Cite your sources, PP. I don't know that it actually is "banned in Finland and Sweden" or "not done many parts of the world". A quick search on the subject only pulls reddit and a wixsite. Not exactly strong support for your claim

Anonymous wrote:I am currently sitting in the emergency vet waiting room because my puppy jumped from the floor to a chair to the counter, nosed open a cabinet door, and consumed an entire bottle of pills (with a child safety cap!) while I was was in the bathroom. 3 minutes, tops.

That is why people crate their dog. I should have crated him while I peed, but I was lazy and thought he’d be fine. He wasn’t fine. In that same time frame he could have chewed the electrical cord, chewed my couch, etc.

If you aren’t actively watching your puppy, they need to be safely contained or you risk being where I am. And this really, really sucks.

Sure, sure sure.

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Anonymous wrote:For people who are opposed to crate training, how do you deal with non-routine vet visits where the dog needs to be crated?

I don't agree with crating a dog all day everyday by any means, but there should be a balance as situations will arise when a dog needs to be crated and if they can't handle that, what then?

Why would a dog need a cage for the vet? Just wrap a blanket around dog. If dog truly can only be moved with a cage, then it will be so sick it won’t care.

Lol. Clearly someone with no experience with Vet Med. The dogs who haven't learned the skill of relaxing in a crate (it is a teachable skill) have to be sedated beyond belief because they'll rip out their stitches, IV lines, tear that blanket to shreds and ingest it, become reactive with Vets and Techs and be generally unhinged, anxious nightmares.

Np. What are you talking about? I have a dog who has never been crated- I don’t like it- and she’s fine at the vet, loves car rides, etc.

Ever had to leave her at the vet? Or board her when you travel? Or do you hire a live-in round-the-clock petsitter?

I don’t think many boarding kennels will agree to keep your dog in a cage for the duration of your trip even if you insist that is where they want to be and that is where they are safest and that you have trained them to love living in the cage.

I don’t know if the USA has regulations but the UK does that give space requirements (bigger than crates) and required exercise time and limits on time in any confined space. They definitely wouldn’t be allowed to keep dogs crated.

I am currently sitting in the emergency vet waiting room because my puppy jumped from the floor to a chair to the counter, nosed open a cabinet door, and consumed an entire bottle of pills (with a child safety cap!) while I was was in the bathroom. 3 minutes, tops.

That is why people crate their dog. I should have crated him while I peed, but I was lazy and thought he’d be fine. He wasn’t fine. In that same time frame he could have chewed the electrical cord, chewed my couch, etc.

If you aren’t actively watching your puppy, they need to be safely contained or you risk being where I am. And this really, really sucks.

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Anonymous wrote:For people who are opposed to crate training, how do you deal with non-routine vet visits where the dog needs to be crated?

I don't agree with crating a dog all day everyday by any means, but there should be a balance as situations will arise when a dog needs to be crated and if they can't handle that, what then?

Why would a dog need a cage for the vet? Just wrap a blanket around dog. If dog truly can only be moved with a cage, then it will be so sick it won’t care.

Lol. Clearly someone with no experience with Vet Med. The dogs who haven't learned the skill of relaxing in a crate (it is a teachable skill) have to be sedated beyond belief because they'll rip out their stitches, IV lines, tear that blanket to shreds and ingest it, become reactive with Vets and Techs and be generally unhinged, anxious nightmares.

Np. What are you talking about? I have a dog who has never been crated- I don’t like it- and she’s fine at the vet, loves car rides, etc.

Ever had to leave her at the vet? Or board her when you travel? Or do you hire a live-in round-the-clock petsitter?

Sure, I’ve boarded her. She’s fine. What’s the issue?

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Anonymous wrote:Crates are not dens. In a den, the dog or animal can leave when they are thirsty to get a drink, or to get food, or to relieve themselves, or to run around if they feel like moving or to socialize. They decide when they want to be in the den and when they need or want to leave.

None of that can happen in a crate. The dog either has to relieve itself in its own space or hold it until they are let out. They have to go without food or water until that is supplied for them, they have to lie still in a small space until they are let out.

It seems there is some variation with different people thinking a few hours to most of the day is great for the dog and what the dog likes and wants, but a crate is never like a den. The point of a crate is that it is closed so that the dog can not do anything on its own. If the door is open, then it isn't a crate. It is just a dog house made out of metal.

And yet, a "housebroken" dog is expected to hold it until they are let out. Or do you let your dog piss/shit wherever, whenever? Do you free-feed your animal, giving it access to food all day long?

As for the linguistic yoga you try with the bolded, clearly you're just here to start a fight. You sound stupid af. Just go FO and pet your dog or something. This is obnoxious.

Why do you think it is banned in Finland and Sweden and rare or not done many parts of the world?