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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]It's not the world that is changing and becoming harder to have kids, it's people's mentality.  No one ever thought raising kids is easy, or doesn't requires sacrifices.  It's not hard to have kids if you prioritize family.  It's hard to have kids while not sacrificing anything, and that's where the younger generation is having trouble.  They have been raised to never compromise on their dreams or wants and to do only what feels good for them.  Well then, of course having kids is not that feasible.

If you want kids, make it happen.  Move to a cheaper location.  Settle down earlier with a stable partner and build equity.  Move closer to family.  Families used to help each other.  Nowadays, family is toxic and everyone wants to avoid their parents and siblings.  Well, then you lost your village and you are on your own and everything, including raising kids, is easier.  Don't put this on the government.  It is not the government's job to help you raise your kids. Nor are they any good at it. [/quote]

If you don't want the government to help people with money when they have kids then don't complain when the birth rate plummets. It's as simple as that. Either subsidize kids like you do corn for the farmers in the midwest or don't expect to have a stable birth rate. We don't owe you babies.[/quote]

you are absolutely right.  I don't care about the plummeting birth rate in and of itself.  People should absolutely not have kids if they don't want kids.  I care because it is a sign of the increasing selfishness of a generation. And increasing pessimism about the future.  Read this board, look around pop culture.  There is so much self hatred going around.  It's so sad to see.

I am not against reshaping society to be more family oriented.  I'm all for that, but it seems to not be working, looking at the European models.  It supports my suspicion that the policies don't change people's mind.  To do that requires a more fundamental and personal change.  To stop being so selfish. [/quote]
You could look at the European model but we don’t have that here so it’s mostly irrelevant to here, same thing with our new and draconian forced birther policies which mean, at this point, that if you get pregnant with a wanted pregnancy in a non-free state, you can be forced to carry a child with special needs (which is something that needs to be measured against our pro-industry health care in which a child with special needs can bankrupt you) or a pregnancy that will kill you, among other things.

Something that is relevant around the globe is global warming. Anyone with eyes and a memory longer than a few years can see the differences. Is it worth it to bring a child into that, to further damage that?

Further, and I say this as someone with three kids, people who choose not to have children are both more and less selfish than those of us who have children and I find the argument that not having children is inherently selfish is reductive. For many the choice not to have children is self preservation.

(Fun fact for those slamming the women in African nations who have “too many” children: when birth control is made available to women there, they too choose to limit their family sizes. Guess we can credit the forced birthers in the W administration for the growth in birth rates in Africa, too.)[/quote]

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