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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Lots of heated opinions in this thread.

I am morbidly obese, a weight gain that began in my early 30s and ramped up significantly in my 40s following surgeries which put me into early perimenopause and caused me to develop an absorption disorder which led to a chronic B1 vitamin deficiency and serious neurological problems as well as very significant sarcopenia, until I had the muscle mass of a very elderly person and lots of fat to carry around. Just really metabolically sick in so many ways.

I’ve been working on restoring my health after choosing not to pursue weight loss surgery or medication. I studied nutritional biochemistry in some depth over the last year and have read a number of books by MDs who are focused on integrative medicine and health through nutrition.

In recent months I’ve transitioned to a plant heavy diet with a focus on phytonutrient loading my meals. I’ve purged most  processed foods and take out foods with occasional exceptions since I’m not perfect and do still struggle with emotional eating.

The changes to my health have been dramatic. I’m losing weight slowly but I’m okay with it because it’s the healthiest way to lose. I’m fascinated by how focusing on feeding the bugs in my gut and building a diet all around that - but still delicious! - had shut down my food cravings almost entirely. Instead of thinking about food all the time I often forget altogether- but that comes from adhering to a daily intake of the RDA and more of fiber, with a variety of plants foods to feed all my gut bacteria which is rebuilding my health in all kinds of ways including mood, skin, hair etc.

Diet is EVERYTHING- but it isn’t about calories. It’s about the quality of foods you are putting in your body. Every day more and more science it proving this. Morality is irrelevant, but it IS true that food can cause addiction just like other drugs - neuroscience proves this. Casein is an opiate. Processed foods are scientifically designed to addict us, period.

The reason I am against these drugs is that I would rather wake up every morning and have a beautiful dump created by a fiber fueled diet and watch my body naturally release fat and inflammation via a beautiful natural diet rather than take a drug which can cause stomach paralysis and a host of other related issues that are very negative to gut health and can even result in death. https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2023/10/05/weight-loss-drugs-wegovy-ozempic-may-be-linked-to-stomach-paralysis.html

Broccoli, on the other hand, is very unlikely to kill me. And the thing is, I love food like most people do. I don’t want a solution that destroys my appetite and makes eating a nauseating experience. I would much rather learn a new way of eating, as I’ve been doing the last several months.

My fridge is currently jam packed with produce and it’s actually getting eaten, not wasted. It will take me another year - 18 months to lose all that I’ve gained, but I don’t anticipate any issues because I don’t crave the other way of eating anymore. My brain has been rewired by months of eating walnuts and broccoli and berries etc. every single day without fail.

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Oh man, I bet your farts are so smelly :(. Anyway

I enjoy being able to eat whatever I want on Ozempic and still lose weight and be healthier. I don’t want to just eat walnuts and berries and probiotic foods. I hate broccoli. I still enjoy food very much; in fact, much more than I used to because I can enjoy the foods I love in more appropriate amounts with no distressing thoughts or emotions. I can sit down to pizza with my family/friends without being stressed out that there won’t be enough for me to have enough to be full, or pressure myself to limit myself to two pieces so no one will judge me. I can enjoy a few bites of cheesecake without worry that I won’t be able to stop and I’ll eat the whole thing. If I’m craving a regular coke I’m satisfied with a small and usually forget about it after a few sips so don’t have to feel guilt about having too much sugar knowing how bad it is for me.

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I do fart and belch much more than I did before a fiber fueled diet, but it’s not terribly smelly at all. I’m not deluded about this, I have a very keen olfactory system and get offended by nasty farts but I find in my case at least that minimal animals foods means less smelly farts.

If you learned more about metabolic syndrome and nutritional biochemistry, you’d know that losing some weight and still eating the same crap food but less of it doesn’t point to much improved health.

There are a great many skinny fat Americans - people of normal weight who are metabolically very unhealthy and suffering insulin resistance even in the absence of overweight or obesity, and that means that on the inside there is still damage happening to the heart and other organs while you are eating pizza and cheesecake and wearing a size 8 or 10 or 12.

Size and weight are not the only indicators of health and normal weight seemingly healthy women drop dead of massive heart attacks in midlife every single day. That’s why Ozempic and Wegovy et al. are simply not the answer.

Hippocrates said food is medicine. Thousands of years later all the science is revealing that it is THE most important medicine. [/quote]

I'm not the PP, but Wegovy is actually helping me eat healthfully.  It has taken away my sugar craving, as well as any desire to drink alcohol.  For the first time in my life, I can eat a reasonable meal (like oatmeal for breakfast) and feel satiated with one serving.  Prior to Wegovy, I carefully counted calories (I recognized I got more bang for my buck by eating protein over carbs, or filling up on fruits and vegetables), but I never felt satiated -- I was always hungry, even with the fiber-rich foods that were supposed to fill me up.  For the first time in my entire life, I feel like a normal person who isn't thinking about food all the time.  Yes, there are risks -- as there are with any medication -- and I keep a careful eye on that.  But because of my weight loss, my inflammation is down and I feel so much better than before.   [/quote]

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