Anonymous wrote:And for the record, this is my thread, I started it. I think I can contribute whatever I want to it, especially when it is the relevant argument that as a society with a medical system being rapidly bankrupted by the symptoms of industrial processed food diets, we should promote big broccoli over big Pharma if we want to have anything left to leave to our kids.

Anonymous wrote:I wonder why these anti-GLP1 ranters never rant about blood pressure medications, anti-anxiety medications, and cholesterol medications? Why is not a moral failing to take those medications to improve your health, but it is to lose weight?

Why is no one going on and on about how they cured their heart disease with berries, walnuts and broccoli? I’m on the health and medicine forum every day and no one chimes in with all this anecdotal stories about how they cured their heart disease with just exercise and change in diet?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Glad you found something that works for you to be healthy. Try not judging others who choose a different method.

Everyone has the right to choose what's right for their body

Please point to the place in my post where I judged anyone else?

You can’t, of course. That’s just your stuff projecting.

I’m a morbidly obese middle aged woman who has struggled with food addiction since suffering childhood traumas too many and awful to go into, compounded by adult trauma as well. I don’t judge anyone.

But there IS a cure for metabolic disorder and all the associated symptoms (that we call diseases but which are actually symptoms) which doesn’t involve any pharmaceuticals. It’s food. The science is undeniable.

I do think that as a matter of public health we should be funding the resources people need to learn to eat right (something many MDs are confused about, they don’t teach nutrition in medical schools shockingly given the epidemic of obesity) and to cope with the myriad factors that feed eating disorders. However this funding would go to people, to nutritional education and support and therapy and support groups etc. and those resources don’t have the lobbying power that Pharma and Ag does.

Our system is sick, and we are all victims of it. I don’t judge anyone for that, but I think people should have the same supports to choose the healthiest option as they do to choose options that can destroy their bodies and mental health. If you do the deep dive on long term stats for bariatric surgery and weight loss drugs, the outcomes are not great. They may reduce rates of symptoms of the underlying problem - obesity, heart issues, etc. - but they aren’t really promoting healthy vitality. They are symptom management, they aren’t a cure. Facts, not judgment.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lots of heated opinions in this thread.

I am morbidly obese, a weight gain that began in my early 30s and ramped up significantly in my 40s following surgeries which put me into early perimenopause and caused me to develop an absorption disorder which led to a chronic B1 vitamin deficiency and serious neurological problems as well as very significant sarcopenia, until I had the muscle mass of a very elderly person and lots of fat to carry around. Just really metabolically sick in so many ways.

I’ve been working on restoring my health after choosing not to pursue weight loss surgery or medication. I studied nutritional biochemistry in some depth over the last year and have read a number of books by MDs who are focused on integrative medicine and health through nutrition.

In recent months I’ve transitioned to a plant heavy diet with a focus on phytonutrient loading my meals. I’ve purged most processed foods and take out foods with occasional exceptions since I’m not perfect and do still struggle with emotional eating.

The changes to my health have been dramatic. I’m losing weight slowly but I’m okay with it because it’s the healthiest way to lose. I’m fascinated by how focusing on feeding the bugs in my gut and building a diet all around that - but still delicious! - had shut down my food cravings almost entirely. Instead of thinking about food all the time I often forget altogether- but that comes from adhering to a daily intake of the RDA and more of fiber, with a variety of plants foods to feed all my gut bacteria which is rebuilding my health in all kinds of ways including mood, skin, hair etc.

Diet is EVERYTHING- but it isn’t about calories. It’s about the quality of foods you are putting in your body. Every day more and more science it proving this. Morality is irrelevant, but it IS true that food can cause addiction just like other drugs - neuroscience proves this. Casein is an opiate. Processed foods are scientifically designed to addict us, period.

The reason I am against these drugs is that I would rather wake up every morning and have a beautiful dump created by a fiber fueled diet and watch my body naturally release fat and inflammation via a beautiful natural diet rather than take a drug which can cause stomach paralysis and a host of other related issues that are very negative to gut health and can even result in death. https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2023/10/05/weight-loss-drugs-wegovy-ozempic-may-be-linked-to-stomach-paralysis.html

Broccoli, on the other hand, is very unlikely to kill me. And the thing is, I love food like most people do. I don’t want a solution that destroys my appetite and makes eating a nauseating experience. I would much rather learn a new way of eating, as I’ve been doing the last several months.

My fridge is currently jam packed with produce and it’s actually getting eaten, not wasted. It will take me another year - 18 months to lose all that I’ve gained, but I don’t anticipate any issues because I don’t crave the other way of eating anymore. My brain has been rewired by months of eating walnuts and broccoli and berries etc. every single day without fail.

Oh man, I bet your farts are so smelly . Anyway

I enjoy being able to eat whatever I want on Ozempic and still lose weight and be healthier. I don’t want to just eat walnuts and berries and probiotic foods. I hate broccoli. I still enjoy food very much; in fact, much more than I used to because I can enjoy the foods I love in more appropriate amounts with no distressing thoughts or emotions. I can sit down to pizza with my family/friends without being stressed out that there won’t be enough for me to have enough to be full, or pressure myself to limit myself to two pieces so no one will judge me. I can enjoy a few bites of cheesecake without worry that I won’t be able to stop and I’ll eat the whole thing. If I’m craving a regular coke I’m satisfied with a small and usually forget about it after a few sips so don’t have to feel guilt about having too much sugar knowing how bad it is for me.

I do fart and belch much more than I did before a fiber fueled diet, but it’s not terribly smelly at all. I’m not deluded about this, I have a very keen olfactory system and get offended by nasty farts but I find in my case at least that minimal animals foods means less smelly farts.

If you learned more about metabolic syndrome and nutritional biochemistry, you’d know that losing some weight and still eating the same crap food but less of it doesn’t point to much improved health.

There are a great many skinny fat Americans - people of normal weight who are metabolically very unhealthy and suffering insulin resistance even in the absence of overweight or obesity, and that means that on the inside there is still damage happening to the heart and other organs while you are eating pizza and cheesecake and wearing a size 8 or 10 or 12.

Size and weight are not the only indicators of health and normal weight seemingly healthy women drop dead of massive heart attacks in midlife every single day. That’s why Ozempic and Wegovy et al. are simply not the answer.

Hippocrates said food is medicine. Thousands of years later all the science is revealing that it is THE most important medicine.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lots of heated opinions in this thread.

I am morbidly obese, a weight gain that began in my early 30s and ramped up significantly in my 40s following surgeries which put me into early perimenopause and caused me to develop an absorption disorder which led to a chronic B1 vitamin deficiency and serious neurological problems as well as very significant sarcopenia, until I had the muscle mass of a very elderly person and lots of fat to carry around. Just really metabolically sick in so many ways.

I’ve been working on restoring my health after choosing not to pursue weight loss surgery or medication. I studied nutritional biochemistry in some depth over the last year and have read a number of books by MDs who are focused on integrative medicine and health through nutrition.

In recent months I’ve transitioned to a plant heavy diet with a focus on phytonutrient loading my meals. I’ve purged most processed foods and take out foods with occasional exceptions since I’m not perfect and do still struggle with emotional eating.

The changes to my health have been dramatic. I’m losing weight slowly but I’m okay with it because it’s the healthiest way to lose. I’m fascinated by how focusing on feeding the bugs in my gut and building a diet all around that - but still delicious! - had shut down my food cravings almost entirely. Instead of thinking about food all the time I often forget altogether- but that comes from adhering to a daily intake of the RDA and more of fiber, with a variety of plants foods to feed all my gut bacteria which is rebuilding my health in all kinds of ways including mood, skin, hair etc.

Diet is EVERYTHING- but it isn’t about calories. It’s about the quality of foods you are putting in your body. Every day more and more science it proving this. Morality is irrelevant, but it IS true that food can cause addiction just like other drugs - neuroscience proves this. Casein is an opiate. Processed foods are scientifically designed to addict us, period.

The reason I am against these drugs is that I would rather wake up every morning and have a beautiful dump created by a fiber fueled diet and watch my body naturally release fat and inflammation via a beautiful natural diet rather than take a drug which can cause stomach paralysis and a host of other related issues that are very negative to gut health and can even result in death. https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2023/10/05/weight-loss-drugs-wegovy-ozempic-may-be-linked-to-stomach-paralysis.html

Broccoli, on the other hand, is very unlikely to kill me. And the thing is, I love food like most people do. I don’t want a solution that destroys my appetite and makes eating a nauseating experience. I would much rather learn a new way of eating, as I’ve been doing the last several months.

My fridge is currently jam packed with produce and it’s actually getting eaten, not wasted. It will take me another year - 18 months to lose all that I’ve gained, but I don’t anticipate any issues because I don’t crave the other way of eating anymore. My brain has been rewired by months of eating walnuts and broccoli and berries etc. every single day without fail.

Oh man, I bet your farts are so smelly . Anyway

I enjoy being able to eat whatever I want on Ozempic and still lose weight and be healthier. I don’t want to just eat walnuts and berries and probiotic foods. I hate broccoli. I still enjoy food very much; in fact, much more than I used to because I can enjoy the foods I love in more appropriate amounts with no distressing thoughts or emotions. I can sit down to pizza with my family/friends without being stressed out that there won’t be enough for me to have enough to be full, or pressure myself to limit myself to two pieces so no one will judge me. I can enjoy a few bites of cheesecake without worry that I won’t be able to stop and I’ll eat the whole thing. If I’m craving a regular coke I’m satisfied with a small and usually forget about it after a few sips so don’t have to feel guilt about having too much sugar knowing how bad it is for me.

I do fart and belch much more than I did before a fiber fueled diet, but it’s not terribly smelly at all. I’m not deluded about this, I have a very keen olfactory system and get offended by nasty farts but I find in my case at least that minimal animals foods means less smelly farts.

If you learned more about metabolic syndrome and nutritional biochemistry, you’d know that losing some weight and still eating the same crap food but less of it doesn’t point to much improved health.

There are a great many skinny fat Americans - people of normal weight who are metabolically very unhealthy and suffering insulin resistance even in the absence of overweight or obesity, and that means that on the inside there is still damage happening to the heart and other organs while you are eating pizza and cheesecake and wearing a size 8 or 10 or 12.

Size and weight are not the only indicators of health and normal weight seemingly healthy women drop dead of massive heart attacks in midlife every single day. That’s why Ozempic and Wegovy et al. are simply not the answer.

Hippocrates said food is medicine. Thousands of years later all the science is revealing that it is THE most important medicine.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lots of heated opinions in this thread.

I am morbidly obese, a weight gain that began in my early 30s and ramped up significantly in my 40s following surgeries which put me into early perimenopause and caused me to develop an absorption disorder which led to a chronic B1 vitamin deficiency and serious neurological problems as well as very significant sarcopenia, until I had the muscle mass of a very elderly person and lots of fat to carry around. Just really metabolically sick in so many ways.

I’ve been working on restoring my health after choosing not to pursue weight loss surgery or medication. I studied nutritional biochemistry in some depth over the last year and have read a number of books by MDs who are focused on integrative medicine and health through nutrition.

In recent months I’ve transitioned to a plant heavy diet with a focus on phytonutrient loading my meals. I’ve purged most processed foods and take out foods with occasional exceptions since I’m not perfect and do still struggle with emotional eating.

The changes to my health have been dramatic. I’m losing weight slowly but I’m okay with it because it’s the healthiest way to lose. I’m fascinated by how focusing on feeding the bugs in my gut and building a diet all around that - but still delicious! - had shut down my food cravings almost entirely. Instead of thinking about food all the time I often forget altogether- but that comes from adhering to a daily intake of the RDA and more of fiber, with a variety of plants foods to feed all my gut bacteria which is rebuilding my health in all kinds of ways including mood, skin, hair etc.

Diet is EVERYTHING- but it isn’t about calories. It’s about the quality of foods you are putting in your body. Every day more and more science it proving this. Morality is irrelevant, but it IS true that food can cause addiction just like other drugs - neuroscience proves this. Casein is an opiate. Processed foods are scientifically designed to addict us, period.

The reason I am against these drugs is that I would rather wake up every morning and have a beautiful dump created by a fiber fueled diet and watch my body naturally release fat and inflammation via a beautiful natural diet rather than take a drug which can cause stomach paralysis and a host of other related issues that are very negative to gut health and can even result in death. https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2023/10/05/weight-loss-drugs-wegovy-ozempic-may-be-linked-to-stomach-paralysis.html

Broccoli, on the other hand, is very unlikely to kill me. And the thing is, I love food like most people do. I don’t want a solution that destroys my appetite and makes eating a nauseating experience. I would much rather learn a new way of eating, as I’ve been doing the last several months.

My fridge is currently jam packed with produce and it’s actually getting eaten, not wasted. It will take me another year - 18 months to lose all that I’ve gained, but I don’t anticipate any issues because I don’t crave the other way of eating anymore. My brain has been rewired by months of eating walnuts and broccoli and berries etc. every single day without fail.

Oh man, I bet your farts are so smelly . Anyway

I enjoy being able to eat whatever I want on Ozempic and still lose weight and be healthier. I don’t want to just eat walnuts and berries and probiotic foods. I hate broccoli. I still enjoy food very much; in fact, much more than I used to because I can enjoy the foods I love in more appropriate amounts with no distressing thoughts or emotions. I can sit down to pizza with my family/friends without being stressed out that there won’t be enough for me to have enough to be full, or pressure myself to limit myself to two pieces so no one will judge me. I can enjoy a few bites of cheesecake without worry that I won’t be able to stop and I’ll eat the whole thing. If I’m craving a regular coke I’m satisfied with a small and usually forget about it after a few sips so don’t have to feel guilt about having too much sugar knowing how bad it is for me.

I do fart and belch much more than I did before a fiber fueled diet, but it’s not terribly smelly at all. I’m not deluded about this, I have a very keen olfactory system and get offended by nasty farts but I find in my case at least that minimal animals foods means less smelly farts.

If you learned more about metabolic syndrome and nutritional biochemistry, you’d know that losing some weight and still eating the same crap food but less of it doesn’t point to much improved health.

There are a great many skinny fat Americans - people of normal weight who are metabolically very unhealthy and suffering insulin resistance even in the absence of overweight or obesity, and that means that on the inside there is still damage happening to the heart and other organs while you are eating pizza and cheesecake and wearing a size 8 or 10 or 12.

Size and weight are not the only indicators of health and normal weight seemingly healthy women drop dead of massive heart attacks in midlife every single day. That’s why Ozempic and Wegovy et al. are simply not the answer.

Hippocrates said food is medicine. Thousands of years later all the science is revealing that it is THE most important medicine.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lots of heated opinions in this thread.

I am morbidly obese, a weight gain that began in my early 30s and ramped up significantly in my 40s following surgeries which put me into early perimenopause and caused me to develop an absorption disorder which led to a chronic B1 vitamin deficiency and serious neurological problems as well as very significant sarcopenia, until I had the muscle mass of a very elderly person and lots of fat to carry around. Just really metabolically sick in so many ways.

I’ve been working on restoring my health after choosing not to pursue weight loss surgery or medication. I studied nutritional biochemistry in some depth over the last year and have read a number of books by MDs who are focused on integrative medicine and health through nutrition.

In recent months I’ve transitioned to a plant heavy diet with a focus on phytonutrient loading my meals. I’ve purged most processed foods and take out foods with occasional exceptions since I’m not perfect and do still struggle with emotional eating.

The changes to my health have been dramatic. I’m losing weight slowly but I’m okay with it because it’s the healthiest way to lose. I’m fascinated by how focusing on feeding the bugs in my gut and building a diet all around that - but still delicious! - had shut down my food cravings almost entirely. Instead of thinking about food all the time I often forget altogether- but that comes from adhering to a daily intake of the RDA and more of fiber, with a variety of plants foods to feed all my gut bacteria which is rebuilding my health in all kinds of ways including mood, skin, hair etc.

Diet is EVERYTHING- but it isn’t about calories. It’s about the quality of foods you are putting in your body. Every day more and more science it proving this. Morality is irrelevant, but it IS true that food can cause addiction just like other drugs - neuroscience proves this. Casein is an opiate. Processed foods are scientifically designed to addict us, period.

The reason I am against these drugs is that I would rather wake up every morning and have a beautiful dump created by a fiber fueled diet and watch my body naturally release fat and inflammation via a beautiful natural diet rather than take a drug which can cause stomach paralysis and a host of other related issues that are very negative to gut health and can even result in death. https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2023/10/05/weight-loss-drugs-wegovy-ozempic-may-be-linked-to-stomach-paralysis.html

Broccoli, on the other hand, is very unlikely to kill me. And the thing is, I love food like most people do. I don’t want a solution that destroys my appetite and makes eating a nauseating experience. I would much rather learn a new way of eating, as I’ve been doing the last several months.

My fridge is currently jam packed with produce and it’s actually getting eaten, not wasted. It will take me another year - 18 months to lose all that I’ve gained, but I don’t anticipate any issues because I don’t crave the other way of eating anymore. My brain has been rewired by months of eating walnuts and broccoli and berries etc. every single day without fail.

Oh man, I bet your farts are so smelly . Anyway

I enjoy being able to eat whatever I want on Ozempic and still lose weight and be healthier. I don’t want to just eat walnuts and berries and probiotic foods. I hate broccoli. I still enjoy food very much; in fact, much more than I used to because I can enjoy the foods I love in more appropriate amounts with no distressing thoughts or emotions. I can sit down to pizza with my family/friends without being stressed out that there won’t be enough for me to have enough to be full, or pressure myself to limit myself to two pieces so no one will judge me. I can enjoy a few bites of cheesecake without worry that I won’t be able to stop and I’ll eat the whole thing. If I’m craving a regular coke I’m satisfied with a small and usually forget about it after a few sips so don’t have to feel guilt about having too much sugar knowing how bad it is for me.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I find the reaction to GLP-1 to be really similar to the reaction to the birth control pill. I predict they'll become similarly common and accepted but, also like BCPs, never free of hand-wringing from a certain quarter.

They are finally doing more research into the bcp and the changes it causes including increased incidence of depression and anxiety.

Anonymous wrote:Lots of heated opinions in this thread.

I am morbidly obese, a weight gain that began in my early 30s and ramped up significantly in my 40s following surgeries which put me into early perimenopause and caused me to develop an absorption disorder which led to a chronic B1 vitamin deficiency and serious neurological problems as well as very significant sarcopenia, until I had the muscle mass of a very elderly person and lots of fat to carry around. Just really metabolically sick in so many ways.

I’ve been working on restoring my health after choosing not to pursue weight loss surgery or medication. I studied nutritional biochemistry in some depth over the last year and have read a number of books by MDs who are focused on integrative medicine and health through nutrition.

In recent months I’ve transitioned to a plant heavy diet with a focus on phytonutrient loading my meals. I’ve purged most processed foods and take out foods with occasional exceptions since I’m not perfect and do still struggle with emotional eating.

The changes to my health have been dramatic. I’m losing weight slowly but I’m okay with it because it’s the healthiest way to lose. I’m fascinated by how focusing on feeding the bugs in my gut and building a diet all around that - but still delicious! - had shut down my food cravings almost entirely. Instead of thinking about food all the time I often forget altogether- but that comes from adhering to a daily intake of the RDA and more of fiber, with a variety of plants foods to feed all my gut bacteria which is rebuilding my health in all kinds of ways including mood, skin, hair etc.

Diet is EVERYTHING- but it isn’t about calories. It’s about the quality of foods you are putting in your body. Every day more and more science it proving this. Morality is irrelevant, but it IS true that food can cause addiction just like other drugs - neuroscience proves this. Casein is an opiate. Processed foods are scientifically designed to addict us, period.

The reason I am against these drugs is that I would rather wake up every morning and have a beautiful dump created by a fiber fueled diet and watch my body naturally release fat and inflammation via a beautiful natural diet rather than take a drug which can cause stomach paralysis and a host of other related issues that are very negative to gut health and can even result in death. https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2023/10/05/weight-loss-drugs-wegovy-ozempic-may-be-linked-to-stomach-paralysis.html

Broccoli, on the other hand, is very unlikely to kill me. And the thing is, I love food like most people do. I don’t want a solution that destroys my appetite and makes eating a nauseating experience. I would much rather learn a new way of eating, as I’ve been doing the last several months.

My fridge is currently jam packed with produce and it’s actually getting eaten, not wasted. It will take me another year - 18 months to lose all that I’ve gained, but I don’t anticipate any issues because I don’t crave the other way of eating anymore. My brain has been rewired by months of eating walnuts and broccoli and berries etc. every single day without fail.

Anonymous wrote:Lots of heated opinions in this thread.

I am morbidly obese, a weight gain that began in my early 30s and ramped up significantly in my 40s following surgeries which put me into early perimenopause and caused me to develop an absorption disorder which led to a chronic B1 vitamin deficiency and serious neurological problems as well as very significant sarcopenia, until I had the muscle mass of a very elderly person and lots of fat to carry around. Just really metabolically sick in so many ways.

I’ve been working on restoring my health after choosing not to pursue weight loss surgery or medication. I studied nutritional biochemistry in some depth over the last year and have read a number of books by MDs who are focused on integrative medicine and health through nutrition.

In recent months I’ve transitioned to a plant heavy diet with a focus on phytonutrient loading my meals. I’ve purged most processed foods and take out foods with occasional exceptions since I’m not perfect and do still struggle with emotional eating.

The changes to my health have been dramatic. I’m losing weight slowly but I’m okay with it because it’s the healthiest way to lose. I’m fascinated by how focusing on feeding the bugs in my gut and building a diet all around that - but still delicious! - had shut down my food cravings almost entirely. Instead of thinking about food all the time I often forget altogether- but that comes from adhering to a daily intake of the RDA and more of fiber, with a variety of plants foods to feed all my gut bacteria which is rebuilding my health in all kinds of ways including mood, skin, hair etc.

Diet is EVERYTHING- but it isn’t about calories. It’s about the quality of foods you are putting in your body. Every day more and more science it proving this. Morality is irrelevant, but it IS true that food can cause addiction just like other drugs - neuroscience proves this. Casein is an opiate. Processed foods are scientifically designed to addict us, period.

The reason I am against these drugs is that I would rather wake up every morning and have a beautiful dump created by a fiber fueled diet and watch my body naturally release fat and inflammation via a beautiful natural diet rather than take a drug which can cause stomach paralysis and a host of other related issues that are very negative to gut health and can even result in death. https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2023/10/05/weight-loss-drugs-wegovy-ozempic-may-be-linked-to-stomach-paralysis.html

Broccoli, on the other hand, is very unlikely to kill me. And the thing is, I love food like most people do. I don’t want a solution that destroys my appetite and makes eating a nauseating experience. I would much rather learn a new way of eating, as I’ve been doing the last several months.

My fridge is currently jam packed with produce and it’s actually getting eaten, not wasted. It will take me another year - 18 months to lose all that I’ve gained, but I don’t anticipate any issues because I don’t crave the other way of eating anymore. My brain has been rewired by months of eating walnuts and broccoli and berries etc. every single day without fail.

Anonymous wrote:Lots of heated opinions in this thread.

I am morbidly obese, a weight gain that began in my early 30s and ramped up significantly in my 40s following surgeries which put me into early perimenopause and caused me to develop an absorption disorder which led to a chronic B1 vitamin deficiency and serious neurological problems as well as very significant sarcopenia, until I had the muscle mass of a very elderly person and lots of fat to carry around. Just really metabolically sick in so many ways.

I’ve been working on restoring my health after choosing not to pursue weight loss surgery or medication. I studied nutritional biochemistry in some depth over the last year and have read a number of books by MDs who are focused on integrative medicine and health through nutrition.

In recent months I’ve transitioned to a plant heavy diet with a focus on phytonutrient loading my meals. I’ve purged most processed foods and take out foods with occasional exceptions since I’m not perfect and do still struggle with emotional eating.

The changes to my health have been dramatic. I’m losing weight slowly but I’m okay with it because it’s the healthiest way to lose. I’m fascinated by how focusing on feeding the bugs in my gut and building a diet all around that - but still delicious! - had shut down my food cravings almost entirely. Instead of thinking about food all the time I often forget altogether- but that comes from adhering to a daily intake of the RDA and more of fiber, with a variety of plants foods to feed all my gut bacteria which is rebuilding my health in all kinds of ways including mood, skin, hair etc.

Diet is EVERYTHING- but it isn’t about calories. It’s about the quality of foods you are putting in your body. Every day more and more science it proving this. Morality is irrelevant, but it IS true that food can cause addiction just like other drugs - neuroscience proves this. Casein is an opiate. Processed foods are scientifically designed to addict us, period.

The reason I am against these drugs is that I would rather wake up every morning and have a beautiful dump created by a fiber fueled diet and watch my body naturally release fat and inflammation via a beautiful natural diet rather than take a drug which can cause stomach paralysis and a host of other related issues that are very negative to gut health and can even result in death. https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2023/10/05/weight-loss-drugs-wegovy-ozempic-may-be-linked-to-stomach-paralysis.html

Broccoli, on the other hand, is very unlikely to kill me. And the thing is, I love food like most people do. I don’t want a solution that destroys my appetite and makes eating a nauseating experience. I would much rather learn a new way of eating, as I’ve been doing the last several months.

My fridge is currently jam packed with produce and it’s actually getting eaten, not wasted. It will take me another year - 18 months to lose all that I’ve gained, but I don’t anticipate any issues because I don’t crave the other way of eating anymore. My brain has been rewired by months of eating walnuts and broccoli and berries etc. every single day without fail.

Anonymous wrote:Plus the muscle atrophy and having to take this product with no end