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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]They played different board games at a very young age, worked on sudoku puzzles around age 3.  About two grades ahead in math, I started teaching them at an early age since I have an advanced degree in applied mathematics.  My 3rd grader can do simple algebra and my kindergartener can do 2nd grade math.  My 3rd grader is doing AOPS on the side now.  They watched a lot of educational videos with me very early on mostly discovery and history programs, and developed a wide range of interests.  
My older boy was bored in class, but I did not say it, I simply pointed out that he use the first 10 mins to complete all the work, and spend the rest of the time waiting, and was denied of extra worksheets.  He had invention ideas, he explained what the inventions are, who will use the invention, how the invention will work, and how it will benefit humanity.

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]He did not prep at home other than the 1 week of prep that the general ed teachers did in class for NNAT and CoGAT, and was able to achieve 160NNAT, 144Cogat, 154 WISC (no prep at all),  He’s WISC was in the 99.9%, he got into Davidson Institute before was accepted to AAP.  So for people who said these scores are impossible to achieve without prep, it’s not true.  He did 4th grade Singapore math at home and AOPS on the side, I used those works samples, and he writes short stories and had crazy invention ideas that he wrote down, we used those.

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]He had 160 NNAT, 144Cogat, wasn’t admitted first round due to a rough relationship with the teacher…. Got in on appeal with the WISC score and appeal letter explaining the gifted behaviors and how he fits to a T (many quotes from Davidson Institute) and on how the county can better serve these kids…. Of course above grade work samples…. And these score are not hard to achieve even without prep.

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]My child got 154 WISC without any prep.  All family members score above 140 on official IQ tests.  Never thought my kid is gifted till the scores came in, and till he started to complain about his second grade work and teacher….  He did great in class works and was able to do 4th/5th grade math. But he ended up spending 5-10 mins doing the entire class’ work, he asked for extra worksheets and was denied by the teacher, had nothing to do for the rest of the time.  He took books to class then teacher complained about he was reading books in class, he got so frustrated with the teacher.  Of course he started picking up teachers mistakes, that didn’t go well either…
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DP.  Are you the poster whose DC was admitted first round?  Not sure what you're complaining about?  [/quote][/quote]

What kind of work samples? And what do you mean "not hard to achieve without prep"? I rarely hear people stating such scores on this board. Lots of talk of 99th percentile, but that doesn't mean a whole lot given that we are in a very educated part of the country and state.[/quote][/quote]

I think when people say such scores are not possible without prep that is shorthand for 'highly unlikely without test prep or true giftedness or extreme parental nurturance' of talent'.  Of course there are people who are not prepping in the test prep sort of way and getting top scores. I'm going to guess that in addition to your child having natural abilities you are very involved in fostering your child's cognitive development/IQ.

Btw, kind of crazy invention ideas? I have heard a lot of talk on this board about what to submit/not submit (including don't submit worksheets, etc.), and also a lot of paranoid talk about not saying child is bored but rather needs AAP, etc. Sounds like you went with what you thought reflected your child's ability and that worked out well.

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Thanks for the details. I am a researcher so I find this all interesting. It helps people understand what these test scores mean...not in the realm of teaching-to-the-test, but clearly the result of very favorable nature + nurture. You have a PhD or Master's degree in math (or Master's?) and obviously are fostering these talents/abilities in your children (kudos to you). You probably had some (lots?) of nurturing from your own parents. I still find it astounding that your child wasn't admitted into AAP right away, but good to know the committee was moved by your appeal. (You'd think they'd already know what gifted kids need...)

I find the gifted label a bit of a misnomer as kids can be far ahead for a variety of reasons (just as they may develop the tendency to correct teachers for various reasons). Gifted implies it's all inborn, which clearly isn't the case, although it might be strategic to emphasize that for getting the services one desires. I know that's not what the thread is about, but tying it back to what people can do to get in if their child is deserving--looks like actual evidence of being far advanced isn't nearly enough. Butt kissing is for those whose kids are merely bright, whereas others might choose to craft a more complete story about giftedness to move a committee that lacks knowledge and is unduly suspicious of test scores.

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