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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]It is outrageous that W&M, a public institution, only has early decision (not just one, but two ED dates) and no early action. The website says "While financial aid packaging at W&M will not be affected by applying Early Decision I or II, students who choose to apply early are making a commitment to attend W&M without having the opportunity to compare financial aid packages from other institutions. Therefore, if financial factors could impact your decision to attend W&M, Early Decision may not be the best choice."

Basically you have a state subsidized, taxpayer funded public institution that says upfront that they have two admissions tracks--one for rich kids who don't need to compare financial aid pkgs, and one for everyone else. What is the messaging to students from the get go?

[b]W&M is the ONLY public (to my knowledge) institution in the country to have only ED and not any EA option. Very few publics have any ED. The other "public ivy" Miami U has ED and EA, as does UVA. 
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No wonder W&M lacks socioeconomic diversity. Contact your state delegate and demand better--our public state institutions should not be country clubs.

It's also problematic that UVA as a public institution even has an ED option. UVA always moans about how it lacks economic diversity...you'd think they'd understand that having a special track for full pay students is undermining their ability to consider everyone at the same time. (And yes, ED is linked with benefits, = 100 point boost on the SAT, see Christopher Avery from Harvard's research) Shameful.

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Lots of publics on this list, OP.  https://blog.prepscholar.com/early-decision-schools-and-colleges-complete-list[/quote]

Op here. Where else is public besides Ramapo college of nj? (Also, at least ramapo offers early action. Find me another public that only offers ED and not EA. WM wouldn’t bug me so much if it offered EA but it doesn’t, which makes no sense as a public. [/quote]

NP Other publics on that list are:
TCNJ
Christopher Newport 
Miami U of OH
SUNY Maritime 
SUNY College of Environmental Science and Forestry
Salisbury
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Op again, so do any of those only do Ed and no ea? My point is that wm does two Ed rounds and zero ea. I bet all of the above have ea in addition to Ed, as does va tech, uva. [b]Ed with no ea is the classist thing, I don’t care that you can estimate costs with the npc[/b]. Some of you are seriously out of touch…[/quote]

Why?  Seriously I am not understanding your complaint.  And don't cite Avery or other researchers who are looking at this across many schools with many practices, but with W&M in particular that a) gives an accurate NPC so you know what it will cost, b) treats ED and RD applications the same with regards to application qualifications, financial aid, and merit aid.

This is so much more fair than how many schools use ED.  How is this classist?  What would EA add?   They do ED because they want to predict yield.  EA doesn't help with that.  EA doesn't help the applicant either if they need to compare financial offers they have to wait until RD anyway all it does is let them know they got in early and yes, the NPC, is what they are getting.  Merit aid comes out at the same time for all applicants so you won't know that before RD.

ED1 and ED2 are good strategies for the college in order to do the very important thing of keeping the correct balance of in-state and out of state students, ensuring they accept the right number of students to fill but not overfill their housing etc.   ED2 is a particularly important strategy for W&M which --unlike most public schools--is primarily in competition with top SLACS for its top students and so it needs to align its application processes with those.  There are of course some students who are UVA and WM are my top choices because they are the best in-state schools for me, but there are also a lot of students who are like Swarthmore or Williams or  wherever is my dream school (ED1) and WM is the runner-up (ED2).   This is just not true for most other public universities which don't need to follow how SLACs are handling admissions.   A college that doesn't align itself with the admissions ecology of its competitors is going to become weaker over time--that's just the reality. [/quote]

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