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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Ok I’m giving up on the quote function this morning:

I mean, she’s not wrong. What is more troubling to me is that it’s the same companies who were willfully allowing babies to die outside the United States to pad their bottom lines within our lifetimes. I don’t understand why people can look at a company who knowingly put babies in harms way— and think that they care at all about “our” babies. The formula industry needs to be regulated much, much more aggressively than it is now.[/quote]

She is not wrong that formula companies are marketing their products? Okay? The point you make about regulation is a separate one. Formula itself is highly regulated do please stop implying that the product itself is unsafe. That is not helpful to families that need to give their babies formula. What is going on right now, in 2023 is a separate issue which neither you nor OP have addressed directly because it is about protecting access to formula, not convincing people to avoid it.

Btw lactivists also knowingly put babies in harms way by insisting that formula supplementation is evil and demanding that women who have undergone major surgery room in with their babies. Why should we trust them about a thing? I honestly think they belong in hell for starving babies[/quote]

Formula plants with “egregiously unsanitary” conditions do not lead to a safe product and we shouldn’t for one second tolerate the implication that they do:

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2022/05/25/watch-live-house-grills-fda-commissioner-abbott-executive-on-baby-formula-shortage.html

Stricter regulation meaning more inspections would lead to a safer product. Putting profits above the safety of babies is exactly the same problem now as it was in the 70s-80s.[/quote]

The plant was shut down, leading to the formula shortage. That is how regulation works. [/quote]

Do you really think that the amount of money Abbott spent on lobbying has had no impact on their inspections being so infrequent? That seems deeply naive. Further do you really believe the *only* Abbott factory (or Nestle, or the other big one) which is egregiously insanity is the one that was shut down?[/quote]

Ironically it’s the aggressive breastfeeding promotion that has led to ill knowledge of how to prepare formula. If parents had prepared the contaminated formula properly by sterilizing it with hot water the babies will still be alive. But since no one really teaches how to use formula anymore this happened. Instead of insinuating ill intent by Abbot it’s more likely that it was normal government incompetence, everything is breaking down in the US. [/quote]

I’m not insinuating ill-intent, I’m saying they care more about money than safety.

They are a business. Formula is not different than coca-cola or baby carrots to them— the intent is to make as cheap a product as possible and sell it to you for the most money possible. They don’t suddenly care because omg it’s for babies.[/quote]

Yes, and lactation support in hospitals is a huge moneymaker too, and those people don’t care about the health of women or babies either, for the most part.

Guess what? People who have invested interests aren’t interested in who they harm along the way. Welcome to the world. [/quote]

I would be very interested to see how much money is spent lobbying Congress on behalf of lactation services. This could be an interesting perspective particularly if it rivals the formula industry figures.

I, personally, DGAF how anyone feeds their baby. I am super skeptical, however, of trusting an industry that has already proven time and again it does not care about the safety of babies, in a country which has consistently prioritized putting moms at work at six weeks over reasonable postpartum care. [/quote]

Oh honey we know you DGAF about anybody but yourself[/quote]

Weird as I’m the one who seems to care about the babies dying from contaminated formula in the U.S and elsewhere meanwhile PP is on about how she felt bad she didn’t give *her* baby a bottle. [/quote]

The contaminated formula was a one time event that was immediately shut down by regulators. Meanwhile babies and mothers continue to suffer under abusive breastfeeding practices. [/quote]

Except if you have access to the internet you know it wasn’t a one time event— formula recalls are happening literally now. Babies have died from contaminated formula in China and in the developing world where formula companies pushed formula knowing families didn’t have access to clean water. But who cares as long as it’s poor, non-white babies?

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