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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Too undergrad focused. JHU is way too low, for example.  JHU gets the most govt funding out of any school in the country and has more Nobel prize winners than a lot of schools ranked higher.  A university is more than just about undergrads.  Hopkins has 29 Nobel prize winners while Duke only has 2, for example. [/quote]

For what it's worth, Duke definitely has more than 2 Nobel prize winners, not sure where you get that number.[/quote]

It was a typo - meant 12 as far as I know.  JHU still has 2x that. [/quote]

I imagine most of those Nobel prizes are from JHU medical school. Hardly has an effect on college which is what we're discussing.[/quote]

Many JHU undergrads do research a JHU medical school. It's also why JHU undergrads have huge success applying to med school - because the school has so much research opportunities available with so much federal money coming in for research. Besides, nearly all of the rankings are based on prestige.  Prestige comes from graduate programs and research, not undergrad programs.  Where are all of the universities on this list who only offer  bachelors or masters?   No where to be found, because obviously PhDs matter the most for these rankings, which means actual research, publications, and patents.  [/quote]

There are several rankings that include undergrad only schools like LACs. Forbes, Niche, and Money come to mind. I bolded the LACs in the top 25. In particular Williams seems to do pretty well even against ivies, Stanford, Duke, and MIT.

[b]Forbes[/b]:

1. MIT
2. Stanford
2. Berkeley
4. Princeton
5. Columbia
6. UCLA
[b]7. Williams[/b]
8. Yale
9. Duke
10. Penn
11. Northwestern
12. Rice
13. Vanderbilt
14. Dartmouth
15. Harvard
16. Cornell
17. UCSD
18. Johns Hopkins
19. Brown
20. UChicago
21. USC
22. Georgetown
23. UCSD
[b]24. Amherst[/b]
25. UMich

[b]Niche[/b]

1. MIT
2. Stanford
3. Harvard
4. Yale
5. Princeton
6. Rice
7. Caltech
8. Duke
9. Brown
10. Dartmouth
11. Penn
12. Columbia
13. Vanderbilt
14. Northwestern
15. WashU
16. UChicago
17. Georgetown
[b]18. Harvey Mudd[/b]
19. Notre Dame
[b]20. Pomona[/b]
21. Johns Hopkins
22. Carnegie Mellon
23. Cornell
24. UCLA
25. UMich

[b]Money[/b]

1. MIT
2. Princeton
3. Stanford
4. Yale
[b]5. Williams[/b]
6. UMich
7. Harvard
8. UNC
9. UVA
10. Duke
11. Penn
12. UCLA
13. Georgetown
14. Northwestern
15. Notre Dame
16. Georgia Tech
17. UIUC
[b]18. Pomona[/b]
19. Berkeley
20. Dartmouth
21. Cornell
22. UF
23. UCI
24. UCD
25. Rice[/quote]

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