Quick question if somebody had a choice of Pomona or Cornell which is more prestigious? Being an East Coast Snob, I would say Cornell. And Ivy is Ivy. That being said for those that know Pomona, know how hard it is to get into. Friend mine said there is always 1 or 2 kids at Harvard Law from Pomona every year. But then again probably at least 10 from Cornell. Hypothetical.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Too undergrad focused. JHU is way too low, for example. JHU gets the most govt funding out of any school in the country and has more Nobel prize winners than a lot of schools ranked higher. A university is more than just about undergrads. Hopkins has 29 Nobel prize winners while Duke only has 2, for example.

For what it's worth, Duke definitely has more than 2 Nobel prize winners, not sure where you get that number.

It was a typo - meant 12 as far as I know. JHU still has 2x that.

I imagine most of those Nobel prizes are from JHU medical school. Hardly has an effect on college which is what we're discussing.

Many JHU undergrads do research a JHU medical school. It's also why JHU undergrads have huge success applying to med school - because the school has so much research opportunities available with so much federal money coming in for research. Besides, nearly all of the rankings are based on prestige. Prestige comes from graduate programs and research, not undergrad programs. Where are all of the universities on this list who only offer bachelors or masters? No where to be found, because obviously PhDs matter the most for these rankings, which means actual research, publications, and patents.

There are several rankings that include undergrad only schools like LACs. Forbes, Niche, and Money come to mind. I bolded the LACs in the top 25. In particular Williams seems to do pretty well even against ivies, Stanford, Duke, and MIT.

Forbes:

1. MIT
2. Stanford
2. Berkeley
4. Princeton
5. Columbia
6. UCLA
7. Williams
8. Yale
9. Duke
10. Penn
11. Northwestern
12. Rice
13. Vanderbilt
14. Dartmouth
15. Harvard
16. Cornell
17. UCSD
18. Johns Hopkins
19. Brown
20. UChicago
21. USC
22. Georgetown
23. UCSD
24. Amherst
25. UMich

Niche

1. MIT
2. Stanford
3. Harvard
4. Yale
5. Princeton
6. Rice
7. Caltech
8. Duke
9. Brown
10. Dartmouth
11. Penn
12. Columbia
13. Vanderbilt
14. Northwestern
15. WashU
16. UChicago
17. Georgetown
18. Harvey Mudd
19. Notre Dame
20. Pomona
21. Johns Hopkins
22. Carnegie Mellon
23. Cornell
24. UCLA
25. UMich

Money

1. MIT
2. Princeton
3. Stanford
4. Yale
5. Williams
6. UMich
7. Harvard
8. UNC
9. UVA
10. Duke
11. Penn
12. UCLA
13. Georgetown
14. Northwestern
15. Notre Dame
16. Georgia Tech
17. UIUC
18. Pomona
19. Berkeley
20. Dartmouth
21. Cornell
22. UF
23. UCI
24. UCD
25. Rice

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Too undergrad focused. JHU is way too low, for example. JHU gets the most govt funding out of any school in the country and has more Nobel prize winners than a lot of schools ranked higher. A university is more than just about undergrads. Hopkins has 29 Nobel prize winners while Duke only has 2, for example.

For what it's worth, Duke definitely has more than 2 Nobel prize winners, not sure where you get that number.

It was a typo - meant 12 as far as I know. JHU still has 2x that.

I imagine most of those Nobel prizes are from JHU medical school. Hardly has an effect on college which is what we're discussing.

Many JHU undergrads do research a JHU medical school. It's also why JHU undergrads have huge success applying to med school - because the school has so much research opportunities available with so much federal money coming in for research. Besides, nearly all of the rankings are based on prestige. Prestige comes from graduate programs and research, not undergrad programs. Where are all of the universities on this list who only offer bachelors or masters? No where to be found, because obviously PhDs matter the most for these rankings, which means actual research, publications, and patents.

+1 JHU undergrads have huge success in applying to medical schools which is definitely boosted by their strong medical school. If you look at the top feeders to the best medical schools, JHU is 4th only behind Yale, Duke, and Stanford - it’s even ahead of Harvard.

Please stop

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Too undergrad focused. JHU is way too low, for example. JHU gets the most govt funding out of any school in the country and has more Nobel prize winners than a lot of schools ranked higher. A university is more than just about undergrads. Hopkins has 29 Nobel prize winners while Duke only has 2, for example.

For what it's worth, Duke definitely has more than 2 Nobel prize winners, not sure where you get that number.

It was a typo - meant 12 as far as I know. JHU still has 2x that.

I imagine most of those Nobel prizes are from JHU medical school. Hardly has an effect on college which is what we're discussing.

Many JHU undergrads do research a JHU medical school. It's also why JHU undergrads have huge success applying to med school - because the school has so much research opportunities available with so much federal money coming in for research. Besides, nearly all of the rankings are based on prestige. Prestige comes from graduate programs and research, not undergrad programs. Where are all of the universities on this list who only offer bachelors or masters? No where to be found, because obviously PhDs matter the most for these rankings, which means actual research, publications, and patents.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Too undergrad focused. JHU is way too low, for example. JHU gets the most govt funding out of any school in the country and has more Nobel prize winners than a lot of schools ranked higher. A university is more than just about undergrads. Hopkins has 29 Nobel prize winners while Duke only has 2, for example.

For what it's worth, Duke definitely has more than 2 Nobel prize winners, not sure where you get that number.

It was a typo - meant 12 as far as I know. JHU still has 2x that.

I imagine most of those Nobel prizes are from JHU medical school. Hardly has an effect on college which is what we're discussing.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Too undergrad focused. JHU is way too low, for example. JHU gets the most govt funding out of any school in the country and has more Nobel prize winners than a lot of schools ranked higher. A university is more than just about undergrads. Hopkins has 29 Nobel prize winners while Duke only has 2, for example.

For what it's worth, Duke definitely has more than 2 Nobel prize winners, not sure where you get that number.

It was a typo - meant 12 as far as I know. JHU still has 2x that.

Nobel prize counting is not exactly straightforward: most schools count winners as affiliates, meaning people who spent time previously at the institution doing research, teaching, or even doing postgraduate studies all count. If you look purely at alumni winners, the numbers get much smaller. Also, Nobel prizes are primarily a reflection of graduate studies, not undergraduate studies. Hence Berkeley having over 110 "Nobel prize winners" which is actually inflated compared to alumni who've actually gone to win.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Too undergrad focused. JHU is way too low, for example. JHU gets the most govt funding out of any school in the country and has more Nobel prize winners than a lot of schools ranked higher. A university is more than just about undergrads. Hopkins has 29 Nobel prize winners while Duke only has 2, for example.

For what it's worth, Duke definitely has more than 2 Nobel prize winners, not sure where you get that number.

It was a typo - meant 12 as far as I know. JHU still has 2x that.

Anonymous wrote:Too undergrad focused. JHU is way too low, for example. JHU gets the most govt funding out of any school in the country and has more Nobel prize winners than a lot of schools ranked higher. A university is more than just about undergrads. Hopkins has 29 Nobel prize winners while Duke only has 2, for example.

For what it's worth, Duke definitely has more than 2 Nobel prize winners, not sure where you get that number.

Anonymous wrote:Too undergrad focused. JHU is way too low, for example. JHU gets the most govt funding out of any school in the country and has more Nobel prize winners than a lot of schools ranked higher. A university is more than just about undergrads. Hopkins has 29 Nobel prize winners while Duke only has 2, for example.

This is meant for undergrads, all of these rankings are specifically made with that purpose.

Too undergrad focused. JHU is way too low, for example. JHU gets the most govt funding out of any school in the country and has more Nobel prize winners than a lot of schools ranked higher. A university is more than just about undergrads. Hopkins has 29 Nobel prize winners while Duke only has 2, for example.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you take the average ranking from US News, WSJ/THE, Niche, Forbes, Washington Monthly, Money, Wallet Hub, and Degree Choices, you get an overall ranking of:

1. MIT
2. Stanford
3. Princeton
---Big Gap---
4. Harvard
5. Yale
6. Duke
7. Penn
---Big Gap---
8. Caltech
9. Northwestern
10. Columbia
11. Vanderbilt
12. UCLA
13. Berkeley
14. UMich
15. Dartmouth
16. Georgetown
17. Johns Hopkins
18. Cornell
19. Notre Dame
20. WashU (tie)
20. UChicago (tie)
22. UNC
23. UF (tie)
23. UVA (tie)
25. CMU
---Big Gap---
26. Georgia Tech
27. UCSD
28. USC
29. Emory
30. UIUC
31. UCD
32. UCI
33. UW Seattle
34. BC
35. Wake Forest
36. UT Austin
37. UW Madison
---Big Gap---
38. W&M
39. UCSB
40. Lehigh
41. Purdue
---Big Gap---
42. Texas A&M
43. UMD
44. Virginia Tech
45. BU
46. UGA
47. NYU
48. NCSU
49. BYU
50. GW

Very interesting. No Tufts? What ranking did it do bad on to remove it from the top 50?

I went to Wash. U. I think that it’s strange to see Wash. U. here without Rice, Tufts, Rochester, Tulane and Case Western being here at all. The idea that Vanderbilt is ranked so much higher seems puzzling. I’m sure it’s a fine school, but I’ve always thought of it as being similar to Emory and Tulane.

I also think that, if this list is about research, the absence of places like Penn State, Ohio State and Maryland is odd.

If it’s about undergraduate education, the idea that a lot of overcrowded UC schools are here and places like Williams aren’t here is odd.

Genuine question, as a WashU grad do you feel insecure playing third fiddle to Northwestern and UChicago in the Midwest region? We are considering it for our DC but have heard this take from a few others who are familiar with the school.

Is this really something you spend energy worrying about? Do Tufts and BC and BU and NEU students feel insecure about being 3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th fiddle in the same city (let alone an area as big as the Midwest). Are you worried that your diamond shoes are too tight?

Btw St. Louis is equidistant between Chicago and Nashville (about 300 miles driving distance). So why not include Vanderbilt? Notre Dame us only 40 or 50 miles from Chicago so why not include it?

This is absolutely something that Tufts kids think and care about.

Ick. A good reason not to choose Tufts. I thought their vibe was all SJW. Why care about Boston area rankings?

Who says they care? There are tons of good schools in the Northeast, Tufts kids are surely aware of that.

Tufts kids care, that's the point. Ever heard of "Tufts Syndrome?"

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you take the average ranking from US News, WSJ/THE, Niche, Forbes, Washington Monthly, Money, Wallet Hub, and Degree Choices, you get an overall ranking of:

1. MIT
2. Stanford
3. Princeton
---Big Gap---
4. Harvard
5. Yale
6. Duke
7. Penn
---Big Gap---
8. Caltech
9. Northwestern
10. Columbia
11. Vanderbilt
12. UCLA
13. Berkeley
14. UMich
15. Dartmouth
16. Georgetown
17. Johns Hopkins
18. Cornell
19. Notre Dame
20. WashU (tie)
20. UChicago (tie)
22. UNC
23. UF (tie)
23. UVA (tie)
25. CMU
---Big Gap---
26. Georgia Tech
27. UCSD
28. USC
29. Emory
30. UIUC
31. UCD
32. UCI
33. UW Seattle
34. BC
35. Wake Forest
36. UT Austin
37. UW Madison
---Big Gap---
38. W&M
39. UCSB
40. Lehigh
41. Purdue
---Big Gap---
42. Texas A&M
43. UMD
44. Virginia Tech
45. BU
46. UGA
47. NYU
48. NCSU
49. BYU
50. GW

Very interesting. No Tufts? What ranking did it do bad on to remove it from the top 50?

I went to Wash. U. I think that it’s strange to see Wash. U. here without Rice, Tufts, Rochester, Tulane and Case Western being here at all. The idea that Vanderbilt is ranked so much higher seems puzzling. I’m sure it’s a fine school, but I’ve always thought of it as being similar to Emory and Tulane.

I also think that, if this list is about research, the absence of places like Penn State, Ohio State and Maryland is odd.

If it’s about undergraduate education, the idea that a lot of overcrowded UC schools are here and places like Williams aren’t here is odd.

Genuine question, as a WashU grad do you feel insecure playing third fiddle to Northwestern and UChicago in the Midwest region? We are considering it for our DC but have heard this take from a few others who are familiar with the school.

Is this really something you spend energy worrying about? Do Tufts and BC and BU and NEU students feel insecure about being 3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th fiddle in the same city (let alone an area as big as the Midwest). Are you worried that your diamond shoes are too tight?

Btw St. Louis is equidistant between Chicago and Nashville (about 300 miles driving distance). So why not include Vanderbilt? Notre Dame us only 40 or 50 miles from Chicago so why not include it?

This is absolutely something that Tufts kids think and care about.

Ick. A good reason not to choose Tufts. I thought their vibe was all SJW. Why care about Boston area rankings?

Who says they care? There are tons of good schools in the Northeast, Tufts kids are surely aware of that.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you take the average ranking from US News, WSJ/THE, Niche, Forbes, Washington Monthly, Money, Wallet Hub, and Degree Choices, you get an overall ranking of:

1. MIT
2. Stanford
3. Princeton
---Big Gap---
4. Harvard
5. Yale
6. Duke
7. Penn
---Big Gap---
8. Caltech
9. Northwestern
10. Columbia
11. Vanderbilt
12. UCLA
13. Berkeley
14. UMich
15. Dartmouth
16. Georgetown
17. Johns Hopkins
18. Cornell
19. Notre Dame
20. WashU (tie)
20. UChicago (tie)
22. UNC
23. UF (tie)
23. UVA (tie)
25. CMU
---Big Gap---
26. Georgia Tech
27. UCSD
28. USC
29. Emory
30. UIUC
31. UCD
32. UCI
33. UW Seattle
34. BC
35. Wake Forest
36. UT Austin
37. UW Madison
---Big Gap---
38. W&M
39. UCSB
40. Lehigh
41. Purdue
---Big Gap---
42. Texas A&M
43. UMD
44. Virginia Tech
45. BU
46. UGA
47. NYU
48. NCSU
49. BYU
50. GW

Very interesting. No Tufts? What ranking did it do bad on to remove it from the top 50?

I went to Wash. U. I think that it’s strange to see Wash. U. here without Rice, Tufts, Rochester, Tulane and Case Western being here at all. The idea that Vanderbilt is ranked so much higher seems puzzling. I’m sure it’s a fine school, but I’ve always thought of it as being similar to Emory and Tulane.

I also think that, if this list is about research, the absence of places like Penn State, Ohio State and Maryland is odd.

If it’s about undergraduate education, the idea that a lot of overcrowded UC schools are here and places like Williams aren’t here is odd.

Rice not being included was a mistake, if you look at the most recent list posted Rice is where it's supposed to be. Tufts actually didn't make the top 50 because it did very poorly on some of the rankings. Perhaps Vanderbilt has simply become a top notch school. Its 6% acceptance rate is hard to ignore.

Which rankings did Tufts do poorly on? Making a living?

Washington Monthly and Degree Choices

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you take the average ranking from US News, WSJ/THE, Niche, Forbes, Washington Monthly, Money, Wallet Hub, and Degree Choices, you get an overall ranking of:

1. MIT
2. Stanford
3. Princeton
---Big Gap---
4. Harvard
5. Yale
6. Duke
7. Penn
---Big Gap---
8. Caltech
9. Northwestern
10. Columbia
11. Vanderbilt
12. UCLA
13. Berkeley
14. UMich
15. Dartmouth
16. Georgetown
17. Johns Hopkins
18. Cornell
19. Notre Dame
20. WashU (tie)
20. UChicago (tie)
22. UNC
23. UF (tie)
23. UVA (tie)
25. CMU
---Big Gap---
26. Georgia Tech
27. UCSD
28. USC
29. Emory
30. UIUC
31. UCD
32. UCI
33. UW Seattle
34. BC
35. Wake Forest
36. UT Austin
37. UW Madison
---Big Gap---
38. W&M
39. UCSB
40. Lehigh
41. Purdue
---Big Gap---
42. Texas A&M
43. UMD
44. Virginia Tech
45. BU
46. UGA
47. NYU
48. NCSU
49. BYU
50. GW

Very interesting. No Tufts? What ranking did it do bad on to remove it from the top 50?

I went to Wash. U. I think that it’s strange to see Wash. U. here without Rice, Tufts, Rochester, Tulane and Case Western being here at all. The idea that Vanderbilt is ranked so much higher seems puzzling. I’m sure it’s a fine school, but I’ve always thought of it as being similar to Emory and Tulane.

I also think that, if this list is about research, the absence of places like Penn State, Ohio State and Maryland is odd.

If it’s about undergraduate education, the idea that a lot of overcrowded UC schools are here and places like Williams aren’t here is odd.

Genuine question, as a WashU grad do you feel insecure playing third fiddle to Northwestern and UChicago in the Midwest region? We are considering it for our DC but have heard this take from a few others who are familiar with the school.

Is this really something you spend energy worrying about? Do Tufts and BC and BU and NEU students feel insecure about being 3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th fiddle in the same city (let alone an area as big as the Midwest). Are you worried that your diamond shoes are too tight?

Btw St. Louis is equidistant between Chicago and Nashville (about 300 miles driving distance). So why not include Vanderbilt? Notre Dame us only 40 or 50 miles from Chicago so why not include it?

This is absolutely something that Tufts kids think and care about.

Ick. A good reason not to choose Tufts. I thought their vibe was all SJW. Why care about Boston area rankings?