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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Wow. Hopkins is WAY overrated. I would put it below Duke & Northwestern (not to mention Dartmouth et al).[/quote]

Hopkins has a premier med school and hospital system (that only Harvard and Stanford really rival). Honestly, nothing stands out about Duke and Northwestern other than maybe that cereal company's biz school at NW.[/quote]

sure bud.[/quote]

In all honesty, what really impresses you about Duke and Northwestern? They are both very good schools but Northwestern is basically the second best school for every discipline in the Chicago area. Duke prides itself on being the Harvard of the South and does have great basketball; however, I can't think of even a single truly elite discipline or grad school there. I've considered Duke the Northwestern of the South TBH, which isn't a bad thing (high-end private Power 5 schools). Both of them are great for the 7-15 range but shouldn't be feeling wronged anywhere in that range. [/quote]

So your point is they are great, but not impressive? And what does geography have do with anything?[/quote]

They are excellent but not in that truly top group of national universities that the Duke alumni crowd in particular believes they are. Geographically, the Chicago reference with NW was to explain that even the students wanting top programs in that city now tend to choose Chicago (which probably wasn't the case 30 years ago). Duke sells their southern location and weather compared to other schools (Vandy does too). Both NW and Duke offer a lot but to confuse them with Harvard or Yale is a mistake. [/quote]

Exactly. Duke, hopkins, northwestern and the like are great but none of them should be ahead of any Ivy period.  Or cal tech.  [/quote]

Cal Tech is an amazing school that seems to fly under the radar in the DMV (not too many grads out here). I'd prefer it over MIT for undergrad.

Duke, JHU, and NW are all very good too (right there with most of the Ivy League).[/quote]

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