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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]At the end of the day religious people are always going to feel strange having to cope with cognitive dissonance. They buy into weird stuff. Like Bronze Age stuff. A talking bush. A flood killing everyone and an arc with a bunch of animals. They have to lie to themselves to believe it. Or they get indoctrinated at birth and it’s easier to believe.

These people now control the Supreme Court.

It’s still irrational. They are not acting out of neutrality in these cases.[/quote]

Please tell me you understand that 99% of religious people do not think any of the things you list are literal, especially Catholics and Episcopalians and Jews. If you are are basing your argument against an opposing point of view on a gross misunderstanding, you already lost. Please educate yourself so you can actually be a force for good in these debates. As soon as you say something ignorant like "ooh they believe a burning bush talked," you are dismissed as an ignoramus.[/quote]

Oh, okay. That makes sense. For a second I thought they might believe in some fantastical sht, but your anecdotal evidence, 99% statistic, and assuming I am “grossly misunderstanding” everything clears it all up.

So you don’t believe Jesus is the son of God who died for our sins? Was there a flood? Or is that a story? Did Cane kill able? Was water tuned into wine?

What sensible part of it all am I grossly misunderstanding? That’s always the argument when someone says anything critical about religion; “you have no idea! You can’t begin to image what it’s about as a non-believer. You’re not qualified to talk about it!!!!”

Actually, we all are. Your Christian beliefs, and those of the ones on the Supreme Court, have clearly been shown to affect agnostics, non-believers and even the believers of other religions. Like Jewish people, who don’t believe abortion is a sin, but that the mothers life takes precedence.

Studies have shown that many atheists understand the Bible better than Christians.

At the end of the day, this impetus to blur or end line between church and state is only exacerbating a widening chasm. Religious folks are simply scared of losing power and have packed the court, or fallen for Christian nationalism, or are generally much more active in their attempts these days to foist their particular religion upon everyone else. Look at abortion. This is a religiously motivated thing they have done. Now women can’t get proper health care. Little girls like that 10 year old who had to feel Indiana are in jeopardy.[/quote]

You are are arguing with someone who agrees with you on these issues, but who also can tell you are arguing from a place of weakness and ignorance about the religions you are screeching about. It doesn't help when you are objectivly wrong and mocking in your tone at the same time. Yes, Genesis, the burning bush, and flood are stories. Most of the bible is. Some of it is poetry. Some of it is attempts to recount genealogy and history, which in itself included a retelling of stories. Some of it is letters. All of it is translation upon translation. The number of religious sects who are Bible literalists is minisicule and not at all mainstream. This is the primary fallacy of so many people who mock religions: to assume everyone is a biblical literalist. When you attack by saying "they buy into weird stuff," you are the one being a literalist, and you are the one who sounds ignorant. Theology is the study of what is available, while people search for truths and insight into life and how best to live. It is much debated within and among religions and constantly evolving. At its very base, it's philosophy at its highest intellectual level coupled with the belief that there is a reason for existence.[/quote]

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