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Anonymous wrote:Context matters. Instead of simply reading the article go to the primary source.
Watch the speech. It was funny, self deprecating and intelligent regardless of one’s political views.
Understanding your adversary’s viewpoint and arguments is invaluable.
Such a lack of intellectual curiosity on DCUM.

You’re judging “lack of intellectual curiosity” while defending the guy who wants to control women with a storybook about a magical sky man and his zombie “son?”

No. I’m not because news flash- THE DOBBS DECISION HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH RELIGION.
Everyone needs to get a grip and argue their position on the legal/constitutional merits.
Disagree but don’t be disagreeable.

It’s all about religion.

And to the person worrying about Christians becoming hated…why yes, they are already.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Context matters. Instead of simply reading the article go to the primary source.
Watch the speech. It was funny, self deprecating and intelligent regardless of one’s political views.
Understanding your adversary’s viewpoint and arguments is invaluable.
Such a lack of intellectual curiosity on DCUM.

+100
This is true of liberals in general today. Or, I should say, "leftists." Because these people are not at all liberal in the traditional sense of the word.
They protest, shout down, and cancel conservative speakers in law schools, med schools, and universities in general. The mere presence of an opposing view on issues is now viewed as harmful under the new rules that have taken hold of higher education.

+200
I watched the entire thing. What an intelligent - and brave - person.

I am unaware of any liberal effort to dictate the teaching of certain topics, or to ban and remove books from public libraries.

Is this satire? YLS ring any bells?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At the end of the day religious people are always going to feel strange having to cope with cognitive dissonance. They buy into weird stuff. Like Bronze Age stuff. A talking bush. A flood killing everyone and an arc with a bunch of animals. They have to lie to themselves to believe it. Or they get indoctrinated at birth and it’s easier to believe.

These people now control the Supreme Court.

It’s still irrational. They are not acting out of neutrality in these cases.

Please tell me you understand that 99% of religious people do not think any of the things you list are literal, especially Catholics and Episcopalians and Jews. If you are are basing your argument against an opposing point of view on a gross misunderstanding, you already lost. Please educate yourself so you can actually be a force for good in these debates. As soon as you say something ignorant like "ooh they believe a burning bush talked," you are dismissed as an ignoramus.

Oh, okay. That makes sense. For a second I thought they might believe in some fantastical sht, but your anecdotal evidence, 99% statistic, and assuming I am “grossly misunderstanding” everything clears it all up.

So you don’t believe Jesus is the son of God who died for our sins? Was there a flood? Or is that a story? Did Cane kill able? Was water tuned into wine?

What sensible part of it all am I grossly misunderstanding? That’s always the argument when someone says anything critical about religion; “you have no idea! You can’t begin to image what it’s about as a non-believer. You’re not qualified to talk about it!!!!”

Actually, we all are. Your Christian beliefs, and those of the ones on the Supreme Court, have clearly been shown to affect agnostics, non-believers and even the believers of other religions. Like Jewish people, who don’t believe abortion is a sin, but that the mothers life takes precedence.

Studies have shown that many atheists understand the Bible better than Christians.

At the end of the day, this impetus to blur or end line between church and state is only exacerbating a widening chasm. Religious folks are simply scared of losing power and have packed the court, or fallen for Christian nationalism, or are generally much more active in their attempts these days to foist their particular religion upon everyone else. Look at abortion. This is a religiously motivated thing they have done. Now women can’t get proper health care. Little girls like that 10 year old who had to feel Indiana are in jeopardy.

Anonymous wrote:+100
This is true of liberals in general today. Or, I should say, "leftists." Because these people are not at all liberal in the traditional sense of the word.
They protest, shout down, and cancel conservative speakers in law schools, med schools, and universities in general. The mere presence of an opposing view on issues is now viewed as harmful under the new rules that have taken hold of higher education.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Context matters. Instead of simply reading the article go to the primary source.
Watch the speech. It was funny, self deprecating and intelligent regardless of one’s political views.
Understanding your adversary’s viewpoint and arguments is invaluable.
Such a lack of intellectual curiosity on DCUM.

+100
This is true of liberals in general today. Or, I should say, "leftists." Because these people are not at all liberal in the traditional sense of the word.
They protest, shout down, and cancel conservative speakers in law schools, med schools, and universities in general. The mere presence of an opposing view on issues is now viewed as harmful under the new rules that have taken hold of higher education.

+200
I watched the entire thing. What an intelligent - and brave - person.

I am unaware of any liberal effort to dictate the teaching of certain topics, or to ban and remove books from public libraries.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At the end of the day religious people are always going to feel strange having to cope with cognitive dissonance. They buy into weird stuff. Like Bronze Age stuff. A talking bush. A flood killing everyone and an arc with a bunch of animals. They have to lie to themselves to believe it. Or they get indoctrinated at birth and it’s easier to believe.

These people now control the Supreme Court.

It’s still irrational. They are not acting out of neutrality in these cases.

Please tell me you understand that 99% of religious people do not think any of the things you list are literal, especially Catholics and Episcopalians and Jews. If you are are basing your argument against an opposing point of view on a gross misunderstanding, you already lost. Please educate yourself so you can actually be a force for good in these debates. As soon as you say something ignorant like "ooh they believe a burning bush talked," you are dismissed as an ignoramus.

Oh, okay. That makes sense. For a second I thought they might believe in some fantastical sht, but your anecdotal evidence, 99% statistic, and assuming I am “grossly misunderstanding” everything clears it all up.

So you don’t believe Jesus is the son of God who died for our sins? Was there a flood? Or is that a story? Did Cane kill able? Was water tuned into wine?

What sensible part of it all am I grossly misunderstanding? That’s always the argument when someone says anything critical about religion; “you have no idea! You can’t begin to image what it’s about as a non-believer. You’re not qualified to talk about it!!!!”

Actually, we all are. Your Christian beliefs, and those of the ones on the Supreme Court, have clearly been shown to affect agnostics, non-believers and even the believers of other religions. Like Jewish people, who don’t believe abortion is a sin, but that the mothers life takes precedence.

Studies have shown that many atheists understand the Bible better than Christians.

At the end of the day, this impetus to blur or end line between church and state is only exacerbating a widening chasm. Religious folks are simply scared of losing power and have packed the court, or fallen for Christian nationalism, or are generally much more active in their attempts these days to foist their particular religion upon everyone else. Look at abortion. This is a religiously motivated thing they have done. Now women can’t get proper health care. Little girls like that 10 year old who had to feel Indiana are in jeopardy.

You are are arguing with someone who agrees with you on these issues, but who also can tell you are arguing from a place of weakness and ignorance about the religions you are screeching about. It doesn't help when you are objectivly wrong and mocking in your tone at the same time. Yes, Genesis, the burning bush, and flood are stories. Most of the bible is. Some of it is poetry. Some of it is attempts to recount genealogy and history, which in itself included a retelling of stories. Some of it is letters. All of it is translation upon translation. The number of religious sects who are Bible literalists is minisicule and not at all mainstream. This is the primary fallacy of so many people who mock religions: to assume everyone is a biblical literalist. When you attack by saying "they buy into weird stuff," you are the one being a literalist, and you are the one who sounds ignorant. Theology is the study of what is available, while people search for truths and insight into life and how best to live. It is much debated within and among religions and constantly evolving. At its very base, it's philosophy at its highest intellectual level coupled with the belief that there is a reason for existence.

Dp- no one cares about your high minded beliefs. Truly. Keep it out of legislation. Keep it out of the courthouse.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At the end of the day religious people are always going to feel strange having to cope with cognitive dissonance. They buy into weird stuff. Like Bronze Age stuff. A talking bush. A flood killing everyone and an arc with a bunch of animals. They have to lie to themselves to believe it. Or they get indoctrinated at birth and it’s easier to believe.

These people now control the Supreme Court.

It’s still irrational. They are not acting out of neutrality in these cases.

Please tell me you understand that 99% of religious people do not think any of the things you list are literal, especially Catholics and Episcopalians and Jews. If you are are basing your argument against an opposing point of view on a gross misunderstanding, you already lost. Please educate yourself so you can actually be a force for good in these debates. As soon as you say something ignorant like "ooh they believe a burning bush talked," you are dismissed as an ignoramus.

Oh, okay. That makes sense. For a second I thought they might believe in some fantastical sht, but your anecdotal evidence, 99% statistic, and assuming I am “grossly misunderstanding” everything clears it all up.

So you don’t believe Jesus is the son of God who died for our sins? Was there a flood? Or is that a story? Did Cane kill able? Was water tuned into wine?

What sensible part of it all am I grossly misunderstanding? That’s always the argument when someone says anything critical about religion; “you have no idea! You can’t begin to image what it’s about as a non-believer. You’re not qualified to talk about it!!!!”

Actually, we all are. Your Christian beliefs, and those of the ones on the Supreme Court, have clearly been shown to affect agnostics, non-believers and even the believers of other religions. Like Jewish people, who don’t believe abortion is a sin, but that the mothers life takes precedence.

Studies have shown that many atheists understand the Bible better than Christians.

At the end of the day, this impetus to blur or end line between church and state is only exacerbating a widening chasm. Religious folks are simply scared of losing power and have packed the court, or fallen for Christian nationalism, or are generally much more active in their attempts these days to foist their particular religion upon everyone else. Look at abortion. This is a religiously motivated thing they have done. Now women can’t get proper health care. Little girls like that 10 year old who had to feel Indiana are in jeopardy.

You are are arguing with someone who agrees with you on these issues, but who also can tell you are arguing from a place of weakness and ignorance about the religions you are screeching about. It doesn't help when you are objectivly wrong and mocking in your tone at the same time. Yes, Genesis, the burning bush, and flood are stories. Most of the bible is. Some of it is poetry. Some of it is attempts to recount genealogy and history, which in itself included a retelling of stories. Some of it is letters. All of it is translation upon translation. The number of religious sects who are Bible literalists is minisicule and not at all mainstream. This is the primary fallacy of so many people who mock religions: to assume everyone is a biblical literalist. When you attack by saying "they buy into weird stuff," you are the one being a literalist, and you are the one who sounds ignorant. Theology is the study of what is available, while people search for truths and insight into life and how best to live. It is much debated within and among religions and constantly evolving. At its very base, it's philosophy at its highest intellectual level coupled with the belief that there is a reason for existence.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At the end of the day religious people are always going to feel strange having to cope with cognitive dissonance. They buy into weird stuff. Like Bronze Age stuff. A talking bush. A flood killing everyone and an arc with a bunch of animals. They have to lie to themselves to believe it. Or they get indoctrinated at birth and it’s easier to believe.

These people now control the Supreme Court.

It’s still irrational. They are not acting out of neutrality in these cases.

Please tell me you understand that 99% of religious people do not think any of the things you list are literal, especially Catholics and Episcopalians and Jews. If you are are basing your argument against an opposing point of view on a gross misunderstanding, you already lost. Please educate yourself so you can actually be a force for good in these debates. As soon as you say something ignorant like "ooh they believe a burning bush talked," you are dismissed as an ignoramus.

Oh, okay. That makes sense. For a second I thought they might believe in some fantastical sht, but your anecdotal evidence, 99% statistic, and assuming I am “grossly misunderstanding” everything clears it all up.

So you don’t believe Jesus is the son of God who died for our sins? Was there a flood? Or is that a story? Did Cane kill able? Was water tuned into wine?

What sensible part of it all am I grossly misunderstanding? That’s always the argument when someone says anything critical about religion; “you have no idea! You can’t begin to image what it’s about as a non-believer. You’re not qualified to talk about it!!!!”

Actually, we all are. Your Christian beliefs, and those of the ones on the Supreme Court, have clearly been shown to affect agnostics, non-believers and even the believers of other religions. Like Jewish people, who don’t believe abortion is a sin, but that the mothers life takes precedence.

Studies have shown that many atheists understand the Bible better than Christians.

At the end of the day, this impetus to blur or end line between church and state is only exacerbating a widening chasm. Religious folks are simply scared of losing power and have packed the court, or fallen for Christian nationalism, or are generally much more active in their attempts these days to foist their particular religion upon everyone else. Look at abortion. This is a religiously motivated thing they have done. Now women can’t get proper health care. Little girls like that 10 year old who had to feel Indiana are in jeopardy.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Context matters. Instead of simply reading the article go to the primary source.
Watch the speech. It was funny, self deprecating and intelligent regardless of one’s political views.
Understanding your adversary’s viewpoint and arguments is invaluable.
Such a lack of intellectual curiosity on DCUM.

+100
This is true of liberals in general today. Or, I should say, "leftists." Because these people are not at all liberal in the traditional sense of the word.
They protest, shout down, and cancel conservative speakers in law schools, med schools, and universities in general. The mere presence of an opposing view on issues is now viewed as harmful under the new rules that have taken hold of higher education.

+200
I watched the entire thing. What an intelligent - and brave - person.

I am unaware of any liberal effort to dictate the teaching of certain topics, or to ban and remove books from public libraries.

Anonymous wrote:Alito is putting lipstick on a Pig

People who don't want an Abortion because of their religious beliefs can choose to not have an Abortion

It isn't "protecting" their religious freedom to mandate that everyone in the USA adhere to THEIR religious beliefs

His speech is a combo of Baiting and Gloating - what a weird little man he is

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Context matters. Instead of simply reading the article go to the primary source.
Watch the speech. It was funny, self deprecating and intelligent regardless of one’s political views.
Understanding your adversary’s viewpoint and arguments is invaluable.
Such a lack of intellectual curiosity on DCUM.

You’re judging “lack of intellectual curiosity” while defending the guy who wants to control women with a storybook about a magical sky man and his zombie “son?”

No. I’m not because news flash- THE DOBBS DECISION HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH RELIGION.
Everyone needs to get a grip and argue their position on the legal/constitutional merits.
Disagree but don’t be disagreeable.

Anonymous wrote:Justice A-hole is nothing more than a cultural warrior disguised as a Justice. His arguments on abortion are intellectually dishonest, and his tone was outrageous. His arguments on religious freedom are equally dishonest. Religious freedom is not under attach in the US, except by the Court. Permitting a football coach in a small southern town to pray at 50-yard line along with players and parents directly interferes with the religious freedom of non-Evangelicals in that town.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Context matters. Instead of simply reading the article go to the primary source.
Watch the speech. It was funny, self deprecating and intelligent regardless of one’s political views.
Understanding your adversary’s viewpoint and arguments is invaluable.
Such a lack of intellectual curiosity on DCUM.

+100
This is true of liberals in general today. Or, I should say, "leftists." Because these people are not at all liberal in the traditional sense of the word.
They protest, shout down, and cancel conservative speakers in law schools, med schools, and universities in general. The mere presence of an opposing view on issues is now viewed as harmful under the new rules that have taken hold of higher education.

Opposing views in this case are based on a reflexive dislike of irrationality to dogmatic organized religion. Alito is a zealot and his jurisprudence is a natural extension of his beliefs. Why else take a case from 50 years ago, magically, as soon as he had the other zealots in place in order to get the ruling they wanted?

I mean, let’s just be real, mothers are going to die, as lawyers are brought in to hospitals now in some states as they’re now needed to tell doctors whether or not they can provide a life saving abortion or what medical care is legally permissible. think about that. Your religion has done that . And then you have this smug dkhead man on the Supreme Court basically legislating Christianity over reason and laughing at the world as the they look aghast in shock? But it’s the stupid liberals who are so polarizing, amirite?

These stupid students right? So divisive: https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/07/26/michigan-medical-students-abortion-walkout/

It’s almost as if they took an oath to do no harm but are prevented from treating their patients because of your religious superstitions.

It’s like the med students

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Context matters. Instead of simply reading the article go to the primary source.
Watch the speech. It was funny, self deprecating and intelligent regardless of one’s political views.
Understanding your adversary’s viewpoint and arguments is invaluable.
Such a lack of intellectual curiosity on DCUM.

+100
This is true of liberals in general today. Or, I should say, "leftists." Because these people are not at all liberal in the traditional sense of the word.
They protest, shout down, and cancel conservative speakers in law schools, med schools, and universities in general. The mere presence of an opposing view on issues is now viewed as harmful under the new rules that have taken hold of higher education.