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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Peeing themselves at these ages is not developmentally typical (read, normal). Something is going on. I suggest you talk to a pediatrician  and a therapist (for yourself). [/quote]

+1. Most of this reads like normal parenting struggles and discipline problems, but that's a big read flag for something else.[/quote]

Yes.

Who lives in your house besides the 3 of you?  I'd definitely seek out a child therapist.  A 2nd grader peeing their pants at school is a HUGE red flag.  You could start with the school counselor.[/quote]

Everything sounds like normal bratty, rebellious behavior except the peeing. One kid with pee issues would also be unusual at those ages, but two? Definitely make it a priority to have them see a pediatrician and talk with the school counselor. I hate to even suggest this but I think children who are experiencing abuse are known to have incontinence as a red flag (not saying you are abusing them, OP, but possibly some adult in their circle, like a cate giver or other family member).[/quote]

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