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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]You are either atheist or agnostic, not both.  If you waiver you are an agnostic, not atheist.  [/quote]

Sigh.

Again, nope. It has nothing to do with "wavering".  It has to do with what you claim to know.  "Gnostic" refers to knowledge, not belief.

Go back and read the thread, with particular attention to the cartoons,[b] if you wish to understand what the vast majority of atheists believe[/b].[/quote]

Citation that the vast majority of atheists "believe" in these definitions?
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My use of the word belief was WRT atheism and what it is.

I posted a video from the leading internet/TV show on atheism - the Atheist Experience -- to explain it.  The video is from 2002, so any indication it is "new jargon" is fallacious.

Here's another citation from a group you've probably heard of, American Atheists:

https://www.atheists.org/activism/resources/about-atheism/

[i]Atheism is one thing: A lack of belief in gods.
Atheism is not an affirmative belief that there is no god nor does it answer any other question about what a person believes. It is simply a rejection of the assertion that there are gods. Atheism is too often defined incorrectly as a belief system. To be clear: Atheism is not a disbelief in gods or a denial of gods; it is a lack of belief in gods.

Older dictionaries define atheism as “a belief that there is no God.” Clearly, theistic influence taints these definitions. The fact that dictionaries define Atheism as “there is no God” betrays the (mono)theistic influence. Without the (mono)theistic influence, the definition would at least read “there are no gods.”[/i]

Enough for you?[/quote]

I'm sorry - the "vast majority of atheists" haven't watched that video or heard of American Atheists.

From my experience, I'd say most atheists would use these definitions:
atheist = doesn't believe in any god
agnostic = not sure if there are gods or not 
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