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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]You are either atheist or agnostic, not both.  If you waiver you are an agnostic, not atheist.  [/quote]

Sigh.

Again, nope. It has nothing to do with "wavering".  It has to do with what you claim to know.  "Gnostic" refers to knowledge, not belief.

Go back and read the thread, with particular attention to the cartoons, if you wish to understand what the vast majority of atheists believe.[/quote]

DP. Pp is right, although wavering may not be the correct word. An agnostic doesn’t know if there’s a god or not. While an atheist knows for sure. So when pp says you can’t be both, she is correct because knowing/not knowing are mutually exclusive. You’re either at 100% knowledge or you’re not. That’s Dawkins’ whole point, too: his 0.1/7% of not knowing is what he says makes him agnostic not atheist. Even if he behaves AS IF he’s an atheist, that AS IF is quite different from “is in fact”, at least to English speakers.

Unfortunately your cartoons muddy this basic point with new jargon. To translate the cartoon, the gnostic atheists are the people who have 100% knowledge that there’s no god. The agnostic atheists are those who don’t have 100% knowledge there’s no god. So although the cartoons slap some new jargon on, they’re making the exact same key distinction. [/quote]

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