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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]DH here:  I thought it was lame, insulting, and will backfire.  Whatever market research says about who does the shopping, I find it very hard to believe men don’t have or express preferences about shaving items, which are reasonably personal, and I suspect this is going to hurt Gillette more than it helps.  Woke Capital is tiresome and is due a comeuppance. We shall see, the reaction will be interesting.  [/quote]

What about it did you find insulting? Genuinely? To me it seemed very pro man, just pro good man. [/quote]

How would you react to an ad for a product predominantly used by females with base line message that women have to break the toxic feminist culture and become good women? It just shows how poorly all men are thought of by our society. The baseline being men are bad because they are men. [/quote]

I actually like that it addressed the issue while still selling a very positive view of masculinity. Interesting that we viewed it so differently. I think fighting toxic masculinity needs a big branding makeover. It's important but we can't kill a generation of men's self esteem to get there or we'll have a bunch of creepy MRA losers.[/quote]

When you label advocates for men's rights as "creepy", you're perpetuating the very problem you say you want to cure.

Just sayin' [/quote]

Do you believe the population who currently identifies as 'men's rights advocates' are men you want to have your sons model their behavior on? There are absolutely types of feminists that I don't want my daughter to emulate. The current crop of 'men's rights advocates' focus on where men are held back, they do not teach how to be good men. [b]They teach that women have stolen things from them and that they are entitled to sex from women. That movement is, in fact, creepy. [/b]
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If you want men's rights advocacy to look more like teaching men how to be good, strong, respectful but still masculine then you have a LONGGGGGG way to go. [/quote]

I have never heard that being expressed anywhere. Can you provide some links? It seems from your post that this is a widely held believe. I will say some feminists do believe men have taken jobs that women should have ....you know the patriarchy. So maybe it’s a similar mentality? It seems you believe in toxic masculinity? Do you believe there is a toxic femininity or whatever one would call it?

Really I do not care about a commercial trying to market a brand off the current zeitgeist of the Trump presidency and the metoo movement. It’s cheap and easy. Maybe they should give a percentage of profits to women’s interest group or to a feminist studies department at a university? How about hiring a women CEO or balance the gender on their board of directors? I guess those things will not sell razors? [/quote]

I didn't respond to your first paragraph. I do believe there is a small contingent of feminists that are 'militant' and think men should be punished for past ill deeds. I don't agree with them.

The concept of men having taken jobs that women should have is just about share in the marketplace. If there are no women working in STEM it is highly unlikely that the reason is that women are bad at STEM. Much more likely that there is a culture in STEM that turns women off and causes them to choose other paths. Something backed up by the women who forged ahead into STEM careers. So do I think more women should be in STEM? Yes. I don't think there are specific jobs men have 'stolen' but I think there should be more equal representation in the field and that employers should be working for that. Because the reality is that in most things you are serving both men and women so both should be represented in the creation/care for/whatever.

But here's the thing. Toxic feminism, as it exists, is tiny and basically no one agrees with them. But the problems with masculinity are widespread. White males accounted for 7 of 10 suicides in 2017! Men are like 3 times more likely to kill themselves as women. And this isn't just because of women. It isn't seen as 'manly' to talk about your feelings. It isn't seen as 'manly' to be depressed. We need to create a change in masculinity where it is alright to feel. It doesn't make you a woman. Men need to find a way forward where they can be emotional, and where they can be masculine. I think this is the core problem across the board. All of this pent up stuff and they solve it with violence, towards themselves or others. That is a lesson taught from generation to generation and we need to stop it. To me that is a pro man sentiment. The anti man sentiment is to let things continue as they are and let men suffer in silence. [/quote]

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