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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Op, I have a fairly recently added group of new mom friends, all of them from Europe. In general I admire how they still maintain parts of their identity instead of just falling into the mom trap. We've done a weekend away once a year (or even one night this year) and it has been a great time. I miss my kids but also recognize that a little break can make me come home and be a much better mom. I think its good to keep some parts of you that aren't kid related. I also think that the parenting style of everything in our lives being changed to accommodate our children may not be healthy in the long run.

All this just to say that loving our kids and needing a break are not opposites.  [/quote]

PP who spoke about my 21 month old and just enjoying her.

Having spent time in Europe, even with DD, it’s also a very different take on things. Children are just a part of their family, while I see here, they are treated like a burden.

While we were in Germany, many times we didn’t have to “choose”, as restaurants and areas were set up for both having children and not. We could hike, and have a beer and amazing in the forest, and DD could play at a playground. People rode in on horses, or whatever. There was a mix of people, but there were things for kids of all ages to do, and the kids were not the focus, as they were all playing together. It’s hard to entertain a kid squirming on your lap, but it’s easy to tucker one out at the provided playground, or watch them for a table away. [/quote]

I felt the same way, recently travelling in different parts of Central Europe.  Public life is much more accommodating of kids in that way.  If you take a kid to a restaurant in the US, you get dirty looks from other people.  In other places, it's just normal, and people accept it.  So it's easier to go out.  It's easier to go hiking when the mountain huts have a place for kids to play while you relax with a beer.  People are better at treating kids as part of life, rather than either beings around whom everything is structured or nuisances who should be kept at home.  Things are just set up differently, and that changes the dynamic.  [/quote]

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