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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I find it a little creepy. Maybe not "rapey" but the guy does seem a little smarmy, trying to talk her into staying with lame excuses.

I also dislike "we wish you a merry Christmas" because the people singing it demand that you bring them figgy pudding, and they won't go until they get some. Yeah, if you knock on my door and demand dessert and say you won't leave, I'm calling the cops.

Not every Christmas song is a winner. [/quote]

You need to watch the original song.

A woman sings it to a man. She is the aggressor.

A man sings it to a woman. She is bantering and flirting with him.

Both of the originals are about women being empowered in an era where they were not allowed to be independent sexual beings.

This was created as a girl power type song, not a song about rape.
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Now it's a female empowerment song.  Really?  Really?  This is seriously the angle you're going for? [/quote]

Different PP, liberal millennial woman. Yes I think it is. The fact that she's empowered to stay and flirt and let things get a little risqué and have everyone love the song was actually quite revolutionary.

If you listen to the song, actually listen not just read the lyrics, you can hear that she doesn't want to go, they're playing around with each other. She obviously wants to stay and is putting up half hearted excuses and he's never physical with her.

I'm all about affirmative consent but that isn't incompatible with this type of flirting and saying only affirmative consent is appropriate flirting isn't representative of how humans interact with each other. This type of fun back and forth is fine and something a lot of men and women enjoy. What is left out of this song and what we want to happen today is that when she finally says she'll stay the guy gets serious for a sec and says,  'hey are you sure?' And then she says 'yeah' while pulling him in for a kiss. But that part just happens after the song, they didn't do anything wrong here. [/quote]

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