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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]This is not a video game folks.  This is Bakhmut.  The line between Good and Evil is empathy.  Do you seriously believe ANYONE supports the Russian Government after watching this?  I'm guessing even the Chinese CCP and PLA is uneasy about telling the Chinese people how great Russia is doing this to their own people?

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And putting it another way, even Kevin McCarthy chose sides...
https://nypost.com/2023/05/01/mccarthy-rebukes-russian-reporter-i-do-not-support-what-your-country-has-done-to-ukraine/

Do you get it now?[/quote]

I get it.  I also get what would happen if Ukraine wins the war, to the Russian speaking people in Ukraine.
And Zelensky is demanding Crimea back.  [/quote]

This is nonsense.  They don't have a problem with Russian speaking people, nor ethnic Russians.  Even Zelenskyy grew up Russian speaking.  There are many Russian-speaking people and ethnic Russians, as well as Russian expats serving in Ukraine's army to fight against Putin's violent, illegal, immoral invasion and occupation.[/quote]

Reprisals in the Donbass.  Perhaps they will need UN occupation.[/quote]

There's someone who believes there is a 'winner' here?  After so many deaths, I think the concept is misguided.

The issue is not Russian-speaking (as Russian propaganda has led the Russian population to believe).  The issue is Russian-Government-supporting.  I agree with the comments that although the Ukrainian Government will be tolerant of the Russian-speaking, but not the [b]Russian-Government-supporting population.  In general both groups will be faced with hard choices regarding whether to stay in Ukraine or move to Russia.  If they stay, they will risk prosecution or legal action, based upon the level of crimes committed; similar to Nazi War Crime prosecutions that took decades to sort out.[/b]

I think OSCE in Crimea/Donbass to ensure fair political representation for Russian-speakers, Hague-led War Crimes committee, UNHCR medical / refugee repatriation, NATO de-mining operation, and IPTF protected by a temporary NATO-led border between the Russian and Ukrainian side would work to let both sides cool down and heal.  This is nearly identical to the Bosnia IFOR/SFOR situation, which worked well, since everyone was tired of war and wanted a lasting peace.

My concern is the [b]Russian-Government-Supporting population[/b].  It will be like the Russian-Serbs post-Yugoslavia.  It takes a while for them to be unhooked from the propaganda and deprogrammed.

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Interesting.  I note the particular feat of mental acrobatics inherent in calling for freedom while criminalizing disapproval of the government.  By all means.  Let's make support and approval of the government mandatory, shall we?  Elections are not necessary.

Also, things didn't work out well in the Balkans for all the groups involved.  Like, at all.  Go look at the state of things in independent Bosnia and report. [/quote]

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