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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Sounds like there is only one solution: let teachers and administrators pack heat. [/quote]

It wouldn’t have helped in this case. The shooter had the element of surprise - he was at the door when the teacher went to lock it and then he shot out the window in the door. When would the teacher have had time to retrieve a firearm? She was dead within a second or two.

Stop it with these dumb fantasies. The gunmen always have the advantage of surprise. Look at the Navy Yard massacre - the gunmen killed the two armed guards at the gatehouse. [/quote]

Video shows he went into the main school building through a propped open door. In this case, he was already shooting across the street so there was no element of surprise. She had time to get her phone. No criticism of her, just correcting your post re: timeline.[/quote]

You're both right and wrong.  I believe they were two different incidents since both were talked about in the same briefing.[/quote]

It’s all very confusing. Why was the door propped open?[/quote]

My guess is that someone popped outside to figure out what the commotion was and the foot stop dropped when they went back in.  There's a lot of room for interpretation in the phrase "propped open" and it is clear that the cops are desperately trying to shift some of the blame so an implied exaggeration is par for the course.  Remember all the shifting language about the initial response and "[b]barricaded" in reference to a locked door.[/b][/quote]

"barricade" is actually a term of art in law enforcement, and its used to refer to any situation where an armed person is closed inside a house or building with hostages--it doesn't require someone to barricade the door with a table or something.  In ordinary barricade circumstances (like when an armed guy is close in his house threatening his wife and kids), my understanding is that policy is usually to establish a perimeter, call in SWAT/sharpshooters, and call in hostage negotations, with the idea that you don't want to freak out the barricaded person by storming, unless you see some indication that he's actively moving to harm the hostages.  So I think this was technically a barricade situation, but the School District Police Chief made an inexplicable error in treating it like that kind of a barricade instead of an active shooter situation where people had already been shot.  Even more inexplicable when you know that they received state mandated training on this in the spring within the past year.  I know everyone is saying "cowardice" -- but the guy who makes the call is probably not the guy going in first, so my guess is that it was maybe partial cowardice but mostly just that he wasn't very smart and didn't understand what an active shooter situation really is.  (He seems to have concluded because the firing had momentarily stopped, that wasn't an active shooter situation, which suggests he utterly failed to absorb the training he was provided.)  [/quote]

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