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Anonymous wrote:Who propped the back door open? Will they be prosecuted!!??

It was the cops.

It wasn’t the cops.

Anonymous wrote:Who propped the back door open? Will they be prosecuted!!??

Meanwhile, freak-loner-misfits are buying assault weapons hand over fist, but "propped-open doors" are the problem.

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Anonymous wrote:I would have had some create a distraction so others could get past and get in there.

uh-huh

NP, I know there is often grandstanding on this board and it’s hard to say with certainty what someone would do when faced with mortal danger but I do think a large percentage of parents would do anything they could to save their child in this situation. In fact most parents would die without hesitation to save their child.

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It’s possible the police would have had to shoot me in the back to stop me from running in there. I can’t imagine the helpless horror those poor kids and parents felt. Extra cruel.

The cops did not stop the BP officer who showed just kind of feed the narrative that the cops were scared.

Some of the cops stepped forward and provided him cover while he rescued kids.

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Anonymous wrote:Sounds like there is only one solution: let teachers and administrators pack heat.

It wouldn’t have helped in this case. The shooter had the element of surprise - he was at the door when the teacher went to lock it and then he shot out the window in the door. When would the teacher have had time to retrieve a firearm? She was dead within a second or two.

Stop it with these dumb fantasies. The gunmen always have the advantage of surprise. Look at the Navy Yard massacre - the gunmen killed the two armed guards at the gatehouse.

Video shows he went into the main school building through a propped open door. In this case, he was already shooting across the street so there was no element of surprise. She had time to get her phone. No criticism of her, just correcting your post re: timeline.

You're both right and wrong. I believe they were two different incidents since both were talked about in the same briefing.

It’s all very confusing. Why was the door propped open?

My guess is that someone popped outside to figure out what the commotion was and the foot stop dropped when they went back in. There's a lot of room for interpretation in the phrase "propped open" and it is clear that the cops are desperately trying to shift some of the blame so an implied exaggeration is par for the course. Remember all the shifting language about the initial response and "barricaded" in reference to a locked door.

Your guess is wrong. Video shows it open prior to the teacher going out.

+1 PP, assault weapons don't kill people, propped-open doors do. Stand tall, Republicans.

Any way you can slow someone down and engage them outside is better than allowing them access. Once that happens, you best have people inside who can do some serious damage to the perp.

The police station is 0.8 miles from the school.

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Anonymous wrote:Who propped the back door open? Will they be prosecuted!!??

It was the cops.

Wrong it was a teacher!

https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/27/us/uvalde-shooting-police-response-timeline/index.html


According to the timeline, the cops didn’t stand around while the shooter was “killing babies”. The high likelihood is he did all his murders in the first 15 minutes of entry.

Anonymous wrote:Who propped the back door open? Will they be prosecuted!!??

It was the cops.

Who propped the back door open? Will they be prosecuted!!??

my understanding is that policy is usually to establish a perimeter, call in SWAT/sharpshooters, and call in hostage negotiations

Interesting. How 'bout when there aren't going to be any hostages, because (as yo heard with all the shooting) they're dead (3rd and 4th graders)? In that case, it might be time to say "Eff the 'policy.' Let's roll." Especially if you've got your camo-and-Oakleys tough-guy-cop outfit on.

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Anonymous wrote:Sounds like there is only one solution: let teachers and administrators pack heat.

It wouldn’t have helped in this case. The shooter had the element of surprise - he was at the door when the teacher went to lock it and then he shot out the window in the door. When would the teacher have had time to retrieve a firearm? She was dead within a second or two.

Stop it with these dumb fantasies. The gunmen always have the advantage of surprise. Look at the Navy Yard massacre - the gunmen killed the two armed guards at the gatehouse.

Video shows he went into the main school building through a propped open door. In this case, he was already shooting across the street so there was no element of surprise. She had time to get her phone. No criticism of her, just correcting your post re: timeline.

You're both right and wrong. I believe they were two different incidents since both were talked about in the same briefing.

It’s all very confusing. Why was the door propped open?

My guess is that someone popped outside to figure out what the commotion was and the foot stop dropped when they went back in. There's a lot of room for interpretation in the phrase "propped open" and it is clear that the cops are desperately trying to shift some of the blame so an implied exaggeration is par for the course. Remember all the shifting language about the initial response and "barricaded" in reference to a locked door.

"barricade" is actually a term of art in law enforcement, and its used to refer to any situation where an armed person is closed inside a house or building with hostages--it doesn't require someone to barricade the door with a table or something. In ordinary barricade circumstances (like when an armed guy is close in his house threatening his wife and kids), my understanding is that policy is usually to establish a perimeter, call in SWAT/sharpshooters, and call in hostage negotations, with the idea that you don't want to freak out the barricaded person by storming, unless you see some indication that he's actively moving to harm the hostages. So I think this was technically a barricade situation, but the School District Police Chief made an inexplicable error in treating it like that kind of a barricade instead of an active shooter situation where people had already been shot. Even more inexplicable when you know that they received state mandated training on this in the spring within the past year. I know everyone is saying "cowardice" -- but the guy who makes the call is probably not the guy going in first, so my guess is that it was maybe partial cowardice but mostly just that he wasn't very smart and didn't understand what an active shooter situation really is. (He seems to have concluded because the firing had momentarily stopped, that wasn't an active shooter situation, which suggests he utterly failed to absorb the training he was provided.)

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Anonymous wrote:I mean is this any different than what Black people have been saying for literally years? That the cops are murderers?

Um... The assault weapons-armed shooters are the murderers. The cops just stood around and did nothing while it was going on. They were afraid of getting shot... by an assault weapon. (They turn people into mush.)

and Republicans think there's no problem.

They're not stupid. They get it's not ideal that the US leads the world in school shootings.

They just don't care because their voters don't care.

Completely true. By "Republicans," meant Republican voters.. Republican politicians just pander to what Republican voters want or, in the case of mass shootings, will accept, because... "freedom."

But, you have to admit, Republicans (of all kinds) are very good about sending "Thoughts and Prayers" in the wake of this week's/month's mass shooting.

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Anonymous wrote:I mean is this any different than what Black people have been saying for literally years? That the cops are murderers?

Um... The assault weapons-armed shooters are the murderers. The cops just stood around and did nothing while it was going on. They were afraid of getting shot... by an assault weapon. (They turn people into mush.)

and Republicans think there's no problem.

They're not stupid. They get it's not ideal that the US leads the world in school shootings.

They just don't care because their voters don't care.

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Anonymous wrote:I would have had some create a distraction so others could get past and get in there.

uh-huh

NP, I know there is often grandstanding on this board and it’s hard to say with certainty what someone would do when faced with mortal danger but I do think a large percentage of parents would do anything they could to save their child in this situation. In fact most parents would die without hesitation to save their child.

+1
It’s possible the police would have had to shoot me in the back to stop me from running in there. I can’t imagine the helpless horror those poor kids and parents felt. Extra cruel.

The cops did not stop the BP officer who showed just kind of feed the narrative that the cops were scared.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I mean is this any different than what Black people have been saying for literally years? That the cops are murderers?

Um... The assault weapons-armed shooters are the murderers. The cops just stood around and did nothing while it was going on. They were afraid of getting shot... by an assault weapon. (They turn people into mush.)

and Republicans think there's no problem.

Sure. The cops are accessories. They stood around and let it happen.