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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I wish Bethenny and Sonja would leave. Sonja seems less mentally ill than previous years but I find her annoying and uninteresting. I'm sick of both she and Bethenny flashing  the goods. They aren't that interesting. I ff past everything with Sonja.

Bethenny is an abuser. She insults and cuts down anyone close to her and attacks them violently if they react to her abuse. She cries like a 5 year old and acts like a victim if anyone calls her out for being horrible. She has to dominate and she has to be allowed to abuse. She says and does things that destroy relationships and like a self centered child, she is stunned that people drop her. She lives in a world where she gets to destroy people, but they have to love her. She doesn't get that it is possible to go too far. It is possible to say and do things that are irreparable. [/quote]
This is the most histrionic, over the top language and sounds like it belongs in a romance or YA novel.  Take it down a notch and someone might see your point of view.[/quote]
Disagree. The PP is spot on with Bethenny. Watch her in any discussion - she’s like a machine gun just firing words so that no one can get a word in. And she’s downright viscious to people. [/quote]
What I don't understand from the Carole defenders is the things that Carole has said about Bethenny this season are a lot worse than anything Bethenny said about Carole.  That's just fact.  The stuff in Carole's blogs was next level terrible.

My opinion is Bethenny typically calls it like it is and is spot on, however her delivery is sometimes over the top.  And sometimes telling someone the truth to their face just isn't a good look.  The truth can be mean and she comes off looking unkind and unhinged.  But honestly, nothing she has ever said has rung untrue to me about any of these women.  And that's why she is ratings gold.  Because she says the shit we are all thinking.[/quote]
I’m the PP above you and I’m not a Carole defender. I’m glad she’s leaving. She did say some terrible things about Bethenny in her blogs. But Carole’s 5 blogs don’t make up for the years of Bethenny on tv. Bethenny is a brutal no holds barred person. I think hiding behind - I call it like I see if attitudes - is also pathetic. There’s no two ways around it, Bethenny is a viscious person. She just don’t need to be that mean to other people. And look where it’s gotten her? Now all we are hearing is her crying about being alone. She just has to look in the mirror to see why.[/quote]

Maybe I'm being to meta, but that's the whole point of these shows.  We watch her say the shit we are thinking, which she does better than almost anyone on these shows.  We watch her suffer the consequences.  We watch her be really compassionate and vulnerable in one moment and then unhinged in the next moment.  It's a human train wreck.  Most of these Housewives are broken humans on some level.  This is also why NY is the best city, in my opinion.  You have to have women who are willing to sling the truth telling and risk being very unpopular.  That's why Beverly Hills has gotten so damn boring.

So I just can't fault her too much.  Hate the game, not the player and all.  [/quote]

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