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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Hard working Americans that lay sheet rock today, frame homes, and roof, should not have to pay taxes to support a war effort that wealthy Ukranians turn their back on.

Ukraine is a not a country is a former province with a gas station.[/quote]

Spoken like a true Russian.  Ukrainians are people.  People who want to be free of Russian tyranny.  People who want to determine their own fate.

It's a concept that Russians serving their government wouldn't understand.  They're just slaves, for all intents and purposes.[/quote]

DP and I am Ukrainian. I totally support PP and a lot of Ukrainians sick and tired of this ongoing money laundering. Everyone in Ukraine knows the war will stop as soon as Americans will stop pumping money into it. [/quote]

What part of Ukraine? Russian or Ukrainian speaking?

Are you prepared to become a Russian satellite town? And to get thrown in jail for disagreeing with Putin? [/quote]

lol so you don't think there are people in jail today for disagreeing with Zelensky?[/quote]

Most likely they were not arrested for "disagreeing with Zelensky" but for something very different.  Gonzalo Lira for example was arrested for giving away Ukrainian troop positions to Russia but dishonest propagandists lied about that and claimed it was merely because he didn't agree with Zelenskyy.  And by the way, [b]spelling it "Zelensky" is a giveaway - that's how Russians write it.[/b]  They are sloppy propagandists.[/quote]

You are incorrect. Zelenskiy's family is from Donbass area and Zelenskiy is not a Ukrainian last name. He tries to look more Ukrainian by substituting "I" sound by "y", but it does not make him more Ukrainian unfortunately. His first foreign passport spelling was Zelenskiy. [/quote]

Lol look at you flailing and defensively trying to shift the goal posts away...

You were caught with the very Russian spelling of "Zelensky" but now you're falsely trying to pretend you were saying "Zelenskiy" which is more consistent with Ukrainian and Belarussian spelling - and even there you are wrong and your attempts at attributing it to being a Donbas thing or trying to suggest he wants to sound more Ukrainian is a swing and a miss.  His family is Jewish, and like many Jews living in Slavic lands, they adapted the Slavic word for their Ashkenazi family name, in Zelenskyy's case that being Grün (green).[/quote]

Russians don’t write in English, silly. Both countries use Cyrillic.

All this Zelenskyy, Zelenski, Zelenskiy business is just transcribers having fun. [/quote]

Not quite.  Russian-speakers and transcribers have specific patterns, practices, and spellings that they use, whether consciously or unconsciously, which are different than the ones Ukrainians use.  You can tell because transcribers who are native Russian speakers are not as accustomed to the nuances of Ukrainian, or even properly making sense of the how to deal with the fact that Ukrainian has a few letters that aren't in Russian.  It shows up in many places, like the fact that Ukrainian has the letter Ґ but Russian doesn't, so Gostomel vs Hostomel is a giveaway, Ukrainian has Є but Russian doesn't, and Ukrainian has Ї but Russian doesn't.  Those differences in language constantly show up in how texts were transcribed, which also leaves many immediate tells as to whether the piece came from a Russian source and that it has a Russian slant to it.  How "Zelenskyy" is transcribed is yet another one of those tells.[/quote]

You don't understand what I'm trying to say.  Transcription isn't a fact, it's a convention.  Like, someone can agree to transcribe Ж as j, and someone in another country can agree to transcribe it as ZH.  Both are correct.  Neither is a reflection of a unique or special quality.  It's the same steak called two different names. Languages don't always have 100% corresponding letters so approximations must be picked, and that is a matter of judgment not fact.

Ask Zelensky to pronounce his last name.  Now ask a Russian guy named Zelensky to pronounce his last name.

What do think are the differences that warrant differing transcriptions? None. It's just a convention. It's not a reflection of a different reality.

The same convention that drove Western Armenians to spell their last name endings as "ian" and Eastern Armenians as "yan".  It's the same sound. Why is it transcribed differently? Who knows. In fact, I would argue that the Eastern Armenian spelling is more accurate as it gives no room to wrong pronunciation like KarDASHee-an (in proper Armenian it is pronounced as KardashyAN, with the 'y' barely audible).

You picked a wrong example with Gostomel/Hostomel. In Ukrainian it sounds like a very soft Г, not an English H, which is basically an exhalation sound.  There is no equivalent letter in English for it so they have to pick between two approximations.[/quote]

Nope - Russian translators write it "Gostomel" because they write it Гостомель and to them there's zero nuance because Ґ simply does not exist, to them it's just Г.  The only applicable transliteration Russians have is Gostomel, which again makes it a giveaway.  But yes, there are better examples, such as Kyiv vs russianized Kiev,  Lviv vs russianized Lvov, Kharkiv vs russianized Kharkov, Dnipro vs russianized Dnieper et cetera.

Also, Armenian is a different story but there are in fact again phonetic, grammatic and vocabulary differences between Eastern and Western Armenian.[/quote]

There is a clear preference among Ukrainian speakers, but to ignorant/arrogant Russian speakers they don't recognize anything other than their own bias and it comes through in the reporting and propaganda as well.[/quote]

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