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He hated Zelensky prior to the war. The directive from Kremlin was to paint Zelensky as a “weak clown, who won the election by doing under the table deals”. That’s how Zelensky was painted in Russia prior to the war, after the war Zelensky was painted as a Nazi. Zelensky is everything that Putin is not, young, great speaker, unifier, charismatic. Hence the hate.

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Anonymous wrote:Hard working Americans that lay sheet rock today, frame homes, and roof, should not have to pay taxes to support a war effort that wealthy Ukranians turn their back on.

Ukraine is a not a country is a former province with a gas station.

Spoken like a true Russian. Ukrainians are people. People who want to be free of Russian tyranny. People who want to determine their own fate.

It's a concept that Russians serving their government wouldn't understand. They're just slaves, for all intents and purposes.

DP and I am Ukrainian. I totally support PP and a lot of Ukrainians sick and tired of this ongoing money laundering. Everyone in Ukraine knows the war will stop as soon as Americans will stop pumping money into it.

What part of Ukraine? Russian or Ukrainian speaking?

Are you prepared to become a Russian satellite town? And to get thrown in jail for disagreeing with Putin?

lol so you don't think there are people in jail today for disagreeing with Zelensky?

Most likely they were not arrested for "disagreeing with Zelensky" but for something very different. Gonzalo Lira for example was arrested for giving away Ukrainian troop positions to Russia but dishonest propagandists lied about that and claimed it was merely because he didn't agree with Zelenskyy. And by the way, spelling it "Zelensky" is a giveaway - that's how Russians write it. They are sloppy propagandists.

You are incorrect. Zelenskiy's family is from Donbass area and Zelenskiy is not a Ukrainian last name. He tries to look more Ukrainian by substituting "I" sound by "y", but it does not make him more Ukrainian unfortunately. His first foreign passport spelling was Zelenskiy.

Lol look at you flailing and defensively trying to shift the goal posts away...

You were caught with the very Russian spelling of "Zelensky" but now you're falsely trying to pretend you were saying "Zelenskiy" which is more consistent with Ukrainian and Belarussian spelling - and even there you are wrong and your attempts at attributing it to being a Donbas thing or trying to suggest he wants to sound more Ukrainian is a swing and a miss. His family is Jewish, and like many Jews living in Slavic lands, they adapted the Slavic word for their Ashkenazi family name, in Zelenskyy's case that being Grün (green).

Russians don’t write in English, silly. Both countries use Cyrillic.

All this Zelenskyy, Zelenski, Zelenskiy business is just transcribers having fun.

Not quite. Russian-speakers and transcribers have specific patterns, practices, and spellings that they use, whether consciously or unconsciously, which are different than the ones Ukrainians use. You can tell because transcribers who are native Russian speakers are not as accustomed to the nuances of Ukrainian, or even properly making sense of the how to deal with the fact that Ukrainian has a few letters that aren't in Russian. It shows up in many places, like the fact that Ukrainian has the letter Ґ but Russian doesn't, so Gostomel vs Hostomel is a giveaway, Ukrainian has Є but Russian doesn't, and Ukrainian has Ї but Russian doesn't. Those differences in language constantly show up in how texts were transcribed, which also leaves many immediate tells as to whether the piece came from a Russian source and that it has a Russian slant to it. How "Zelenskyy" is transcribed is yet another one of those tells.

You don't understand what I'm trying to say. Transcription isn't a fact, it's a convention. Like, someone can agree to transcribe Ж as j, and someone in another country can agree to transcribe it as ZH. Both are correct. Neither is a reflection of a unique or special quality. It's the same steak called two different names. Languages don't always have 100% corresponding letters so approximations must be picked, and that is a matter of judgment not fact.

Ask Zelensky to pronounce his last name. Now ask a Russian guy named Zelensky to pronounce his last name.

What do think are the differences that warrant differing transcriptions? None. It's just a convention. It's not a reflection of a different reality.

The same convention that drove Western Armenians to spell their last name endings as "ian" and Eastern Armenians as "yan". It's the same sound. Why is it transcribed differently? Who knows. In fact, I would argue that the Eastern Armenian spelling is more accurate as it gives no room to wrong pronunciation like KarDASHee-an (in proper Armenian it is pronounced as KardashyAN, with the 'y' barely audible).

You picked a wrong example with Gostomel/Hostomel. In Ukrainian it sounds like a very soft Г, not an English H, which is basically an exhalation sound. There is no equivalent letter in English for it so they have to pick between two approximations.

Nope - Russian translators write it "Gostomel" because they write it Гостомель and to them there's zero nuance because Ґ simply does not exist, to them it's just Г. The only applicable transliteration Russians have is Gostomel, which again makes it a giveaway. But yes, there are better examples, such as Kyiv vs russianized Kiev, Lviv vs russianized Lvov, Kharkiv vs russianized Kharkov, Dnipro vs russianized Dnieper et cetera.

Also, Armenian is a different story but there are in fact again phonetic, grammatic and vocabulary differences between Eastern and Western Armenian.

There are differences across Eastern and Western Armenian, true, but they do not extend to KarDASHEEan vs KardashYAN, they sound the same in both dialects.

As to Gostomel/Hostomel, that's not quite true; Russian translators write it as Gostomel because in Russian the only choices they have is Г or X, and it sounds closer to the former than the latter. A native Russian ear would consider is an accented Г, which also exists in many parts of Russia. So it's not that they don't recognize the nuance in sound, it's that the letters available in Russian do not include a soft Г. That's not unique to Russian vs. Ukrainian. Many languages have sounds that are not accurately conveyable with the means of another language so we make approximations.

Other examples you made make much better sense like Lvov vs Lviv as these are actually different words that sound differently.

And to go back to the original example, Zelensky would say his name exactly the same in Russian and Ukrainian.

There are actually nuanced differences between how it's said in Ukrainian vs Russian but either way either is an approximation because his family name was originally Ashkenazi Jewish Yiddish of "Grün" and then translated into Russian and Ukrainian.

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Anonymous wrote:Hard working Americans that lay sheet rock today, frame homes, and roof, should not have to pay taxes to support a war effort that wealthy Ukranians turn their back on.

Ukraine is a not a country is a former province with a gas station.

Spoken like a true Russian. Ukrainians are people. People who want to be free of Russian tyranny. People who want to determine their own fate.

It's a concept that Russians serving their government wouldn't understand. They're just slaves, for all intents and purposes.

DP and I am Ukrainian. I totally support PP and a lot of Ukrainians sick and tired of this ongoing money laundering. Everyone in Ukraine knows the war will stop as soon as Americans will stop pumping money into it.

What part of Ukraine? Russian or Ukrainian speaking?

Are you prepared to become a Russian satellite town? And to get thrown in jail for disagreeing with Putin?

lol so you don't think there are people in jail today for disagreeing with Zelensky?

Most likely they were not arrested for "disagreeing with Zelensky" but for something very different. Gonzalo Lira for example was arrested for giving away Ukrainian troop positions to Russia but dishonest propagandists lied about that and claimed it was merely because he didn't agree with Zelenskyy. And by the way, spelling it "Zelensky" is a giveaway - that's how Russians write it. They are sloppy propagandists.

You are incorrect. Zelenskiy's family is from Donbass area and Zelenskiy is not a Ukrainian last name. He tries to look more Ukrainian by substituting "I" sound by "y", but it does not make him more Ukrainian unfortunately. His first foreign passport spelling was Zelenskiy.

Lol look at you flailing and defensively trying to shift the goal posts away...

You were caught with the very Russian spelling of "Zelensky" but now you're falsely trying to pretend you were saying "Zelenskiy" which is more consistent with Ukrainian and Belarussian spelling - and even there you are wrong and your attempts at attributing it to being a Donbas thing or trying to suggest he wants to sound more Ukrainian is a swing and a miss. His family is Jewish, and like many Jews living in Slavic lands, they adapted the Slavic word for their Ashkenazi family name, in Zelenskyy's case that being Grün (green).

Russians don’t write in English, silly. Both countries use Cyrillic.

All this Zelenskyy, Zelenski, Zelenskiy business is just transcribers having fun.

DP, but every Russian and Ukrainian's international passports are in English, silly.

Correct but there are no set transcribing rules. How do you transcribe, for instance, a Cyrillic ж? Like a j or like a zh? What about a common ending like ий? Is it a y, a yy, an i, an iy, an yi, or an ii? What about a я, is it a ya or an ia?

It’s whatever convention is in force at the time the passport is issued. But depend upon it: Zelensky the president and any other Zelenski, Zelenskiy, or Zelenskyyyyyyy pronounce their names in the exact same way.

Nope. It doesn't depend on the fact of Cyrillic, it depends on the LANGUAGE being used. Surely you should know that Cyrillic isn't just used for Russian, it is also used for a whole variety of Slavic languages like Bulgarian, Serbian, Macedonian, etc each of which has its own pronunciation rules and variations which will transcribe differently than Russian. Not to mention all of the NON-slavic languages that use Cyrillic, like Abkhazian, Chechen, Kyrgyz, and so on whose pronunciation and transcription rules are even more different than the Slavic languages.

Also: Ukrainian and Russian have been separate branches of Slavic language for 1000 years, and there are in fact differences in pronunciation and appropriate transcription between the two. It's not "It's all the same."

On another note, the use of Cyrillic in Ukraine predates the use of it in Russia. The Kievan Rus' of Ukraine adopted it in the 10th century from the Bulgarians of Tsar Simeon I. Moscow was, at the time, nothing but a swamp. Moscow wasn't even founded until 1147. At the time, the city of Kyiv had already existed for at least 600 years.

Given all of the rich history of Ukraine going back millennia, it's wild that Russian propagandists still try to say dumb things like "Ukrainian is not a language, it's just a broken dialect of Russian" when that's clearly not true, or that "Ukrainians are not a people, they are just confused Russians" which is also clearly not true. They must count on their audiences being completely ignorant of history.

Agree -
Well said.

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Anonymous wrote:Hard working Americans that lay sheet rock today, frame homes, and roof, should not have to pay taxes to support a war effort that wealthy Ukranians turn their back on.

Ukraine is a not a country is a former province with a gas station.

Spoken like a true Russian. Ukrainians are people. People who want to be free of Russian tyranny. People who want to determine their own fate.

It's a concept that Russians serving their government wouldn't understand. They're just slaves, for all intents and purposes.

DP and I am Ukrainian. I totally support PP and a lot of Ukrainians sick and tired of this ongoing money laundering. Everyone in Ukraine knows the war will stop as soon as Americans will stop pumping money into it.

What part of Ukraine? Russian or Ukrainian speaking?

Are you prepared to become a Russian satellite town? And to get thrown in jail for disagreeing with Putin?

lol so you don't think there are people in jail today for disagreeing with Zelensky?

Most likely they were not arrested for "disagreeing with Zelensky" but for something very different. Gonzalo Lira for example was arrested for giving away Ukrainian troop positions to Russia but dishonest propagandists lied about that and claimed it was merely because he didn't agree with Zelenskyy. And by the way, spelling it "Zelensky" is a giveaway - that's how Russians write it. They are sloppy propagandists.

You are incorrect. Zelenskiy's family is from Donbass area and Zelenskiy is not a Ukrainian last name. He tries to look more Ukrainian by substituting "I" sound by "y", but it does not make him more Ukrainian unfortunately. His first foreign passport spelling was Zelenskiy.

Lol look at you flailing and defensively trying to shift the goal posts away...

You were caught with the very Russian spelling of "Zelensky" but now you're falsely trying to pretend you were saying "Zelenskiy" which is more consistent with Ukrainian and Belarussian spelling - and even there you are wrong and your attempts at attributing it to being a Donbas thing or trying to suggest he wants to sound more Ukrainian is a swing and a miss. His family is Jewish, and like many Jews living in Slavic lands, they adapted the Slavic word for their Ashkenazi family name, in Zelenskyy's case that being Grün (green).

Russians don’t write in English, silly. Both countries use Cyrillic.

All this Zelenskyy, Zelenski, Zelenskiy business is just transcribers having fun.

DP, but every Russian and Ukrainian's international passports are in English, silly.

Correct but there are no set transcribing rules. How do you transcribe, for instance, a Cyrillic ж? Like a j or like a zh? What about a common ending like ий? Is it a y, a yy, an i, an iy, an yi, or an ii? What about a я, is it a ya or an ia?

It’s whatever convention is in force at the time the passport is issued. But depend upon it: Zelensky the president and any other Zelenski, Zelenskiy, or Zelenskyyyyyyy pronounce their names in the exact same way.

Nope. It doesn't depend on the fact of Cyrillic, it depends on the LANGUAGE being used. Surely you should know that Cyrillic isn't just used for Russian, it is also used for a whole variety of Slavic languages like Bulgarian, Serbian, Macedonian, etc each of which has its own pronunciation rules and variations which will transcribe differently than Russian. Not to mention all of the NON-slavic languages that use Cyrillic, like Abkhazian, Chechen, Kyrgyz, and so on whose pronunciation and transcription rules are even more different than the Slavic languages.

Also: Ukrainian and Russian have been separate branches of Slavic language for 1000 years, and there are in fact differences in pronunciation and appropriate transcription between the two. It's not "It's all the same."

On another note, the use of Cyrillic in Ukraine predates the use of it in Russia. The Kievan Rus' of Ukraine adopted it in the 10th century from the Bulgarians of Tsar Simeon I. Moscow was, at the time, nothing but a swamp. Moscow wasn't even founded until 1147. At the time, the city of Kyiv had already existed for at least 600 years.

Given all of the rich history of Ukraine going back millennia, it's wild that Russian propagandists still try to say dumb things like "Ukrainian is not a language, it's just a broken dialect of Russian" when that's clearly not true, or that "Ukrainians are not a people, they are just confused Russians" which is also clearly not true. They must count on their audiences being completely ignorant of history.

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Anonymous wrote:Hard working Americans that lay sheet rock today, frame homes, and roof, should not have to pay taxes to support a war effort that wealthy Ukranians turn their back on.

Ukraine is a not a country is a former province with a gas station.

Spoken like a true Russian. Ukrainians are people. People who want to be free of Russian tyranny. People who want to determine their own fate.

It's a concept that Russians serving their government wouldn't understand. They're just slaves, for all intents and purposes.

DP and I am Ukrainian. I totally support PP and a lot of Ukrainians sick and tired of this ongoing money laundering. Everyone in Ukraine knows the war will stop as soon as Americans will stop pumping money into it.

What part of Ukraine? Russian or Ukrainian speaking?

Are you prepared to become a Russian satellite town? And to get thrown in jail for disagreeing with Putin?

lol so you don't think there are people in jail today for disagreeing with Zelensky?

Most likely they were not arrested for "disagreeing with Zelensky" but for something very different. Gonzalo Lira for example was arrested for giving away Ukrainian troop positions to Russia but dishonest propagandists lied about that and claimed it was merely because he didn't agree with Zelenskyy. And by the way, spelling it "Zelensky" is a giveaway - that's how Russians write it. They are sloppy propagandists.

You are incorrect. Zelenskiy's family is from Donbass area and Zelenskiy is not a Ukrainian last name. He tries to look more Ukrainian by substituting "I" sound by "y", but it does not make him more Ukrainian unfortunately. His first foreign passport spelling was Zelenskiy.

Lol look at you flailing and defensively trying to shift the goal posts away...

You were caught with the very Russian spelling of "Zelensky" but now you're falsely trying to pretend you were saying "Zelenskiy" which is more consistent with Ukrainian and Belarussian spelling - and even there you are wrong and your attempts at attributing it to being a Donbas thing or trying to suggest he wants to sound more Ukrainian is a swing and a miss. His family is Jewish, and like many Jews living in Slavic lands, they adapted the Slavic word for their Ashkenazi family name, in Zelenskyy's case that being Grün (green).

Russians don’t write in English, silly. Both countries use Cyrillic.

All this Zelenskyy, Zelenski, Zelenskiy business is just transcribers having fun.

Not quite. Russian-speakers and transcribers have specific patterns, practices, and spellings that they use, whether consciously or unconsciously, which are different than the ones Ukrainians use. You can tell because transcribers who are native Russian speakers are not as accustomed to the nuances of Ukrainian, or even properly making sense of the how to deal with the fact that Ukrainian has a few letters that aren't in Russian. It shows up in many places, like the fact that Ukrainian has the letter Ґ but Russian doesn't, so Gostomel vs Hostomel is a giveaway, Ukrainian has Є but Russian doesn't, and Ukrainian has Ї but Russian doesn't. Those differences in language constantly show up in how texts were transcribed, which also leaves many immediate tells as to whether the piece came from a Russian source and that it has a Russian slant to it. How "Zelenskyy" is transcribed is yet another one of those tells.

You don't understand what I'm trying to say. Transcription isn't a fact, it's a convention. Like, someone can agree to transcribe Ж as j, and someone in another country can agree to transcribe it as ZH. Both are correct. Neither is a reflection of a unique or special quality. It's the same steak called two different names. Languages don't always have 100% corresponding letters so approximations must be picked, and that is a matter of judgment not fact.

Ask Zelensky to pronounce his last name. Now ask a Russian guy named Zelensky to pronounce his last name.

What do think are the differences that warrant differing transcriptions? None. It's just a convention. It's not a reflection of a different reality.

The same convention that drove Western Armenians to spell their last name endings as "ian" and Eastern Armenians as "yan". It's the same sound. Why is it transcribed differently? Who knows. In fact, I would argue that the Eastern Armenian spelling is more accurate as it gives no room to wrong pronunciation like KarDASHee-an (in proper Armenian it is pronounced as KardashyAN, with the 'y' barely audible).

You picked a wrong example with Gostomel/Hostomel. In Ukrainian it sounds like a very soft Г, not an English H, which is basically an exhalation sound. There is no equivalent letter in English for it so they have to pick between two approximations.

Nope - Russian translators write it "Gostomel" because they write it Гостомель and to them there's zero nuance because Ґ simply does not exist, to them it's just Г. The only applicable transliteration Russians have is Gostomel, which again makes it a giveaway. But yes, there are better examples, such as Kyiv vs russianized Kiev, Lviv vs russianized Lvov, Kharkiv vs russianized Kharkov, Dnipro vs russianized Dnieper et cetera.

Also, Armenian is a different story but there are in fact again phonetic, grammatic and vocabulary differences between Eastern and Western Armenian.

There are differences across Eastern and Western Armenian, true, but they do not extend to KarDASHEEan vs KardashYAN, they sound the same in both dialects.

As to Gostomel/Hostomel, that's not quite true; Russian translators write it as Gostomel because in Russian the only choices they have is Г or X, and it sounds closer to the former than the latter. A native Russian ear would consider is an accented Г, which also exists in many parts of Russia. So it's not that they don't recognize the nuance in sound, it's that the letters available in Russian do not include a soft Г. That's not unique to Russian vs. Ukrainian. Many languages have sounds that are not accurately conveyable with the means of another language so we make approximations.

Other examples you made make much better sense like Lvov vs Lviv as these are actually different words that sound differently.

And to go back to the original example, Zelensky would say his name exactly the same in Russian and Ukrainian.

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Anonymous wrote:Hard working Americans that lay sheet rock today, frame homes, and roof, should not have to pay taxes to support a war effort that wealthy Ukranians turn their back on.

Ukraine is a not a country is a former province with a gas station.

Spoken like a true Russian. Ukrainians are people. People who want to be free of Russian tyranny. People who want to determine their own fate.

It's a concept that Russians serving their government wouldn't understand. They're just slaves, for all intents and purposes.

DP and I am Ukrainian. I totally support PP and a lot of Ukrainians sick and tired of this ongoing money laundering. Everyone in Ukraine knows the war will stop as soon as Americans will stop pumping money into it.

What part of Ukraine? Russian or Ukrainian speaking?

Are you prepared to become a Russian satellite town? And to get thrown in jail for disagreeing with Putin?

lol so you don't think there are people in jail today for disagreeing with Zelensky?

Most likely they were not arrested for "disagreeing with Zelensky" but for something very different. Gonzalo Lira for example was arrested for giving away Ukrainian troop positions to Russia but dishonest propagandists lied about that and claimed it was merely because he didn't agree with Zelenskyy. And by the way, spelling it "Zelensky" is a giveaway - that's how Russians write it. They are sloppy propagandists.

You are incorrect. Zelenskiy's family is from Donbass area and Zelenskiy is not a Ukrainian last name. He tries to look more Ukrainian by substituting "I" sound by "y", but it does not make him more Ukrainian unfortunately. His first foreign passport spelling was Zelenskiy.

Lol look at you flailing and defensively trying to shift the goal posts away...

You were caught with the very Russian spelling of "Zelensky" but now you're falsely trying to pretend you were saying "Zelenskiy" which is more consistent with Ukrainian and Belarussian spelling - and even there you are wrong and your attempts at attributing it to being a Donbas thing or trying to suggest he wants to sound more Ukrainian is a swing and a miss. His family is Jewish, and like many Jews living in Slavic lands, they adapted the Slavic word for their Ashkenazi family name, in Zelenskyy's case that being Grün (green).

Russians don’t write in English, silly. Both countries use Cyrillic.

All this Zelenskyy, Zelenski, Zelenskiy business is just transcribers having fun.

Not quite. Russian-speakers and transcribers have specific patterns, practices, and spellings that they use, whether consciously or unconsciously, which are different than the ones Ukrainians use. You can tell because transcribers who are native Russian speakers are not as accustomed to the nuances of Ukrainian, or even properly making sense of the how to deal with the fact that Ukrainian has a few letters that aren't in Russian. It shows up in many places, like the fact that Ukrainian has the letter Ґ but Russian doesn't, so Gostomel vs Hostomel is a giveaway, Ukrainian has Є but Russian doesn't, and Ukrainian has Ї but Russian doesn't. Those differences in language constantly show up in how texts were transcribed, which also leaves many immediate tells as to whether the piece came from a Russian source and that it has a Russian slant to it. How "Zelenskyy" is transcribed is yet another one of those tells.

You don't understand what I'm trying to say. Transcription isn't a fact, it's a convention. Like, someone can agree to transcribe Ж as j, and someone in another country can agree to transcribe it as ZH. Both are correct. Neither is a reflection of a unique or special quality. It's the same steak called two different names. Languages don't always have 100% corresponding letters so approximations must be picked, and that is a matter of judgment not fact.

Ask Zelensky to pronounce his last name. Now ask a Russian guy named Zelensky to pronounce his last name.

What do think are the differences that warrant differing transcriptions? None. It's just a convention. It's not a reflection of a different reality.

The same convention that drove Western Armenians to spell their last name endings as "ian" and Eastern Armenians as "yan". It's the same sound. Why is it transcribed differently? Who knows. In fact, I would argue that the Eastern Armenian spelling is more accurate as it gives no room to wrong pronunciation like KarDASHee-an (in proper Armenian it is pronounced as KardashyAN, with the 'y' barely audible).

You picked a wrong example with Gostomel/Hostomel. In Ukrainian it sounds like a very soft Г, not an English H, which is basically an exhalation sound. There is no equivalent letter in English for it so they have to pick between two approximations.

Nope - Russian translators write it "Gostomel" because they write it Гостомель and to them there's zero nuance because Ґ simply does not exist, to them it's just Г. The only applicable transliteration Russians have is Gostomel, which again makes it a giveaway. But yes, there are better examples, such as Kyiv vs russianized Kiev, Lviv vs russianized Lvov, Kharkiv vs russianized Kharkov, Dnipro vs russianized Dnieper et cetera.

Also, Armenian is a different story but there are in fact again phonetic, grammatic and vocabulary differences between Eastern and Western Armenian.

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Anonymous wrote:Hard working Americans that lay sheet rock today, frame homes, and roof, should not have to pay taxes to support a war effort that wealthy Ukranians turn their back on.

Ukraine is a not a country is a former province with a gas station.

Spoken like a true Russian. Ukrainians are people. People who want to be free of Russian tyranny. People who want to determine their own fate.

It's a concept that Russians serving their government wouldn't understand. They're just slaves, for all intents and purposes.

DP and I am Ukrainian. I totally support PP and a lot of Ukrainians sick and tired of this ongoing money laundering. Everyone in Ukraine knows the war will stop as soon as Americans will stop pumping money into it.

What part of Ukraine? Russian or Ukrainian speaking?

Are you prepared to become a Russian satellite town? And to get thrown in jail for disagreeing with Putin?

lol so you don't think there are people in jail today for disagreeing with Zelensky?

Most likely they were not arrested for "disagreeing with Zelensky" but for something very different. Gonzalo Lira for example was arrested for giving away Ukrainian troop positions to Russia but dishonest propagandists lied about that and claimed it was merely because he didn't agree with Zelenskyy. And by the way, spelling it "Zelensky" is a giveaway - that's how Russians write it. They are sloppy propagandists.

You are incorrect. Zelenskiy's family is from Donbass area and Zelenskiy is not a Ukrainian last name. He tries to look more Ukrainian by substituting "I" sound by "y", but it does not make him more Ukrainian unfortunately. His first foreign passport spelling was Zelenskiy.

Lol look at you flailing and defensively trying to shift the goal posts away...

You were caught with the very Russian spelling of "Zelensky" but now you're falsely trying to pretend you were saying "Zelenskiy" which is more consistent with Ukrainian and Belarussian spelling - and even there you are wrong and your attempts at attributing it to being a Donbas thing or trying to suggest he wants to sound more Ukrainian is a swing and a miss. His family is Jewish, and like many Jews living in Slavic lands, they adapted the Slavic word for their Ashkenazi family name, in Zelenskyy's case that being Grün (green).

Russians don’t write in English, silly. Both countries use Cyrillic.

All this Zelenskyy, Zelenski, Zelenskiy business is just transcribers having fun.

Not quite. Russian-speakers and transcribers have specific patterns, practices, and spellings that they use, whether consciously or unconsciously, which are different than the ones Ukrainians use. You can tell because transcribers who are native Russian speakers are not as accustomed to the nuances of Ukrainian, or even properly making sense of the how to deal with the fact that Ukrainian has a few letters that aren't in Russian. It shows up in many places, like the fact that Ukrainian has the letter Ґ but Russian doesn't, so Gostomel vs Hostomel is a giveaway, Ukrainian has Є but Russian doesn't, and Ukrainian has Ї but Russian doesn't. Those differences in language constantly show up in how texts were transcribed, which also leaves many immediate tells as to whether the piece came from a Russian source and that it has a Russian slant to it. How "Zelenskyy" is transcribed is yet another one of those tells.

You don't understand what I'm trying to say. Transcription isn't a fact, it's a convention. Like, someone can agree to transcribe Ж as j, and someone in another country can agree to transcribe it as ZH. Both are correct. Neither is a reflection of a unique or special quality. It's the same steak called two different names. Languages don't always have 100% corresponding letters so approximations must be picked, and that is a matter of judgment not fact.

Ask Zelensky to pronounce his last name. Now ask a Russian guy named Zelensky to pronounce his last name.

What do think are the differences that warrant differing transcriptions? None. It's just a convention. It's not a reflection of a different reality.

The same convention that drove Western Armenians to spell their last name endings as "ian" and Eastern Armenians as "yan". It's the same sound. Why is it transcribed differently? Who knows. In fact, I would argue that the Eastern Armenian spelling is more accurate as it gives no room to wrong pronunciation like KarDASHee-an (in proper Armenian it is pronounced as KardashyAN, with the 'y' barely audible).

You picked a wrong example with Gostomel/Hostomel. In Ukrainian it sounds like a very soft Г, not an English H, which is basically an exhalation sound. There is no equivalent letter in English for it so they have to pick between two approximations.

Nope - Russian translators write it "Gostomel" because they write it Гостомель and to them there's zero nuance because Ґ simply does not exist, to them it's just Г. The only applicable transliteration Russians have is Gostomel, which again makes it a giveaway. But yes, there are better examples, such as Kyiv vs russianized Kiev, Lviv vs russianized Lvov, Kharkiv vs russianized Kharkov, Dnipro vs russianized Dnieper et cetera.

Also, Armenian is a different story but there are in fact again phonetic, grammatic and vocabulary differences between Eastern and Western Armenian.

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Anonymous wrote:Hard working Americans that lay sheet rock today, frame homes, and roof, should not have to pay taxes to support a war effort that wealthy Ukranians turn their back on.

Ukraine is a not a country is a former province with a gas station.

Spoken like a true Russian. Ukrainians are people. People who want to be free of Russian tyranny. People who want to determine their own fate.

It's a concept that Russians serving their government wouldn't understand. They're just slaves, for all intents and purposes.

DP and I am Ukrainian. I totally support PP and a lot of Ukrainians sick and tired of this ongoing money laundering. Everyone in Ukraine knows the war will stop as soon as Americans will stop pumping money into it.

What part of Ukraine? Russian or Ukrainian speaking?

Are you prepared to become a Russian satellite town? And to get thrown in jail for disagreeing with Putin?

lol so you don't think there are people in jail today for disagreeing with Zelensky?

Most likely they were not arrested for "disagreeing with Zelensky" but for something very different. Gonzalo Lira for example was arrested for giving away Ukrainian troop positions to Russia but dishonest propagandists lied about that and claimed it was merely because he didn't agree with Zelenskyy. And by the way, spelling it "Zelensky" is a giveaway - that's how Russians write it. They are sloppy propagandists.

You are incorrect. Zelenskiy's family is from Donbass area and Zelenskiy is not a Ukrainian last name. He tries to look more Ukrainian by substituting "I" sound by "y", but it does not make him more Ukrainian unfortunately. His first foreign passport spelling was Zelenskiy.

Lol look at you flailing and defensively trying to shift the goal posts away...

You were caught with the very Russian spelling of "Zelensky" but now you're falsely trying to pretend you were saying "Zelenskiy" which is more consistent with Ukrainian and Belarussian spelling - and even there you are wrong and your attempts at attributing it to being a Donbas thing or trying to suggest he wants to sound more Ukrainian is a swing and a miss. His family is Jewish, and like many Jews living in Slavic lands, they adapted the Slavic word for their Ashkenazi family name, in Zelenskyy's case that being Grün (green).

Russians don’t write in English, silly. Both countries use Cyrillic.

All this Zelenskyy, Zelenski, Zelenskiy business is just transcribers having fun.

Not quite. Russian-speakers and transcribers have specific patterns, practices, and spellings that they use, whether consciously or unconsciously, which are different than the ones Ukrainians use. You can tell because transcribers who are native Russian speakers are not as accustomed to the nuances of Ukrainian, or even properly making sense of the how to deal with the fact that Ukrainian has a few letters that aren't in Russian. It shows up in many places, like the fact that Ukrainian has the letter Ґ but Russian doesn't, so Gostomel vs Hostomel is a giveaway, Ukrainian has Є but Russian doesn't, and Ukrainian has Ї but Russian doesn't. Those differences in language constantly show up in how texts were transcribed, which also leaves many immediate tells as to whether the piece came from a Russian source and that it has a Russian slant to it. How "Zelenskyy" is transcribed is yet another one of those tells.

You don't understand what I'm trying to say. Transcription isn't a fact, it's a convention. Like, someone can agree to transcribe Ж as j, and someone in another country can agree to transcribe it as ZH. Both are correct. Neither is a reflection of a unique or special quality. It's the same steak called two different names. Languages don't always have 100% corresponding letters so approximations must be picked, and that is a matter of judgment not fact.

Ask Zelensky to pronounce his last name. Now ask a Russian guy named Zelensky to pronounce his last name.

What do think are the differences that warrant differing transcriptions? None. It's just a convention. It's not a reflection of a different reality.

The same convention that drove Western Armenians to spell their last name endings as "ian" and Eastern Armenians as "yan". It's the same sound. Why is it transcribed differently? Who knows. In fact, I would argue that the Eastern Armenian spelling is more accurate as it gives no room to wrong pronunciation like KarDASHee-an (in proper Armenian it is pronounced as KardashyAN, with the 'y' barely audible).

You picked a wrong example with Gostomel/Hostomel. In Ukrainian it sounds like a very soft Г, not an English H, which is basically an exhalation sound. There is no equivalent letter in English for it so they have to pick between two approximations.

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He hated Zelensky prior to the war. The directive from Kremlin was to paint Zelensky as a “weak clown, who won the election by doing under the table deals”. That’s how Zelensky was painted in Russia prior to the war, after the war Zelensky was painted as a Nazi. Zelensky is everything that Putin is not, young, great speaker, unifier, charismatic. Hence the hate.