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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Hmmm, interesting that you left out the Ukrainian Nazis (OUN) from WW2, let alone the current Ukrainian Nazis.  [/quote]
I don’t know about current Ukrainian Nazis but yes I am fully aware that more than twenty thousand Ukrainians swore oaths to Hitler and fought against the Allies as part of the Waffen SS.  The number of Ukrainian Nazis who fought for Hitler is second only to the number of Latvian Nazis.[/quote]

Yes, several thousand Ukrainians fought on the side of the Nazis, because they thought that, after the Holodomor and brutal Soviet dictatorship, abuses and repression, they thought maybe the Nazis were the lesser of two evils compared to Russia.

Meanwhile, countering your 20,000 Ukrainians who fought on the side of the Germans in WWII, do you know how many Ukrainians fought AGAINST the Germans in WWII?  7 million Ukrainians served in the Soviet Red Army in WWII.  And in WWII, 2.5 million Ukrainians were awarded honors by the USSR, and nearly 20% of the recipients of the USSR's highest award, Hero of the Soviet Union (equivalent to Congressional Medal of Honor) were Ukrainians. 127,000 Ukrainian women served in the Red Army.  That number alone dwarfs your "20,000 Nazis."

Meanwhile, perhaps you were also not aware that there were far more Russians who fought on the side of the Nazis than there were Ukrainians.  In fact 20% of the Nazi Wehrmacht troops in Russia had been recruited from Russia.  1.4 million Soviets fought on the side of the Nazis.  Also look up Lokot Republic, Zuyev Republic, Unternehmen Zeppelin, First Russian National Army,  Committee for the Liberation of the Peoples of Russia (KONR), Russian Liberation Army (ROA), Russian National People's Army (RNNA), Russian Protective Corps, Russian People's Labour Party (RTNP) and all of the other Russian groups that collaborated with Nazis.

That should provide context so that maybe now you will knock it off with your broken "uKRaINiANz ArE NaZIs!!!!!!1!!" narrative.[/quote]

Your figures sound credible in relation to other history I have read - is there a source for them?

Agree with your take that the small number of Ukrainian Nazi collaborators were worn down by Soviet occupation - millions of them starved between WW1 and 2 despite the fertile land due to Soviet control of their farms.

[b]Holocaust in Ukraine[/b]

Ukraine experienced a brief independence during World War I after the collapse of Imperial Russia and the Austro-Hungarian Empire. Soon, though, it was subsumed into Poland in the west and the Soviet Union in the east.

The years between the establishment of the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic and the German invasion in June 1941 brought their own misery. A famine caused by forced Soviet collectivization of farms resulted in the death of millions of men, women, and children living in Ukraine, which was called “the bread basket of Europe.” Purges targeted intellectuals and Communist Party leaders, and after 1939, Soviet authorities targeted a wide range of “class enemies” in the western territories it annexed according to its agreement with Germany, known as the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact.

On the eve of the invasion in 1941, the territory of Ukraine in its current internationally recognized borders was home to one of the largest Jewish populations in Europe. The fate of those Jews depended on many factors, including the local occupying authority and whether they were among the very few evacuated to the interior of the Soviet Union ahead of the invading forces. While scholars are still researching the scale of the Holocaust in Ukraine, they estimate at least one and a half million Jews were killed there.

What we do know is that following the brutal invasion of the Soviet Union by the German military, special forces called Einsatzgruppen arrived with orders to kill civilians perceived to be enemies of Nazi Germany. They divided the local population in the occupied territories of the Soviet Union, identifying the Jews and recruiting local collaborators. Most Jews in Ukraine were shot to death close to where they lived, not deported to distant camps. Their executioners were German but also Ukrainian, Russian, and other local collaborators.

After the war, Soviet authorities tended to minimize the uniquely Jewish tragedy that occurred during the occupation, while in the West the inaccessibility of Soviet archives compelled scholars to write the history of the Holocaust in the East using German documents. Following Ukraine’s declaration of independence from the Soviet Union in 1991, scholars have begun piecing together a more complete history of the Holocaust in Ukraine.

https://www.ushmm.org/information/exhibitions/online-exhibitions/ukraine

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