I have a home in Sunny Isles (north of Miami Beach). It’s popular with wealthy Ukranians.

If you saw their Ferraris, Lamborghinis, bimbo companions- all during a war for “survival”, well it doesn’t take a genius to see what BS it is to dump more debt on the American taxpayer to rescue their eastern provinces that by and large are inhabited by ethnic Russians.

To those who claimed they would save Taiwan with this precedent, in my view all you have shown is that we cannot manufacture shells for a regional war. China probably takes comfort in this display that so clearly articulates what has only been talked about for decades- that American industrial decline would also mean its military decline.

Ukraine is over- it’s time to have a hard look at our war fighting and war manufacturing capabilities. While we are at it, we need to get away from large vulnerable expensive equipment and accept that drones are a huge part of not just future war, but current war.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hmmm, interesting that you left out the Ukrainian Nazis (OUN) from WW2, let alone the current Ukrainian Nazis.

I don’t know about current Ukrainian Nazis but yes I am fully aware that more than twenty thousand Ukrainians swore oaths to Hitler and fought against the Allies as part of the Waffen SS. The number of Ukrainian Nazis who fought for Hitler is second only to the number of Latvian Nazis.

Yes, several thousand Ukrainians fought on the side of the Nazis, because they thought that, after the Holodomor and brutal Soviet dictatorship, abuses and repression, they thought maybe the Nazis were the lesser of two evils compared to Russia.

Meanwhile, countering your 20,000 Ukrainians who fought on the side of the Germans in WWII, do you know how many Ukrainians fought AGAINST the Germans in WWII? 7 million Ukrainians served in the Soviet Red Army in WWII. And in WWII, 2.5 million Ukrainians were awarded honors by the USSR, and nearly 20% of the recipients of the USSR's highest award, Hero of the Soviet Union (equivalent to Congressional Medal of Honor) were Ukrainians. 127,000 Ukrainian women served in the Red Army. That number alone dwarfs your "20,000 Nazis."

Meanwhile, perhaps you were also not aware that there were far more Russians who fought on the side of the Nazis than there were Ukrainians. In fact 20% of the Nazi Wehrmacht troops in Russia had been recruited from Russia. 1.4 million Soviets fought on the side of the Nazis. Also look up Lokot Republic, Zuyev Republic, Unternehmen Zeppelin, First Russian National Army, Committee for the Liberation of the Peoples of Russia (KONR), Russian Liberation Army (ROA), Russian National People's Army (RNNA), Russian Protective Corps, Russian People's Labour Party (RTNP) and all of the other Russian groups that collaborated with Nazis.

That should provide context so that maybe now you will knock it off with your broken "uKRaINiANz ArE NaZIs!!!!!!1!!" narrative.

Your figures sound credible in relation to other history I have read - is there a source for them?

Agree with your take that the small number of Ukrainian Nazi collaborators were worn down by Soviet occupation - millions of them starved between WW1 and 2 despite the fertile land due to Soviet control of their farms.

Holocaust in Ukraine

Ukraine experienced a brief independence during World War I after the collapse of Imperial Russia and the Austro-Hungarian Empire. Soon, though, it was subsumed into Poland in the west and the Soviet Union in the east.

The years between the establishment of the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic and the German invasion in June 1941 brought their own misery. A famine caused by forced Soviet collectivization of farms resulted in the death of millions of men, women, and children living in Ukraine, which was called “the bread basket of Europe.” Purges targeted intellectuals and Communist Party leaders, and after 1939, Soviet authorities targeted a wide range of “class enemies” in the western territories it annexed according to its agreement with Germany, known as the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact.

On the eve of the invasion in 1941, the territory of Ukraine in its current internationally recognized borders was home to one of the largest Jewish populations in Europe. The fate of those Jews depended on many factors, including the local occupying authority and whether they were among the very few evacuated to the interior of the Soviet Union ahead of the invading forces. While scholars are still researching the scale of the Holocaust in Ukraine, they estimate at least one and a half million Jews were killed there.

What we do know is that following the brutal invasion of the Soviet Union by the German military, special forces called Einsatzgruppen arrived with orders to kill civilians perceived to be enemies of Nazi Germany. They divided the local population in the occupied territories of the Soviet Union, identifying the Jews and recruiting local collaborators. Most Jews in Ukraine were shot to death close to where they lived, not deported to distant camps. Their executioners were German but also Ukrainian, Russian, and other local collaborators.

After the war, Soviet authorities tended to minimize the uniquely Jewish tragedy that occurred during the occupation, while in the West the inaccessibility of Soviet archives compelled scholars to write the history of the Holocaust in the East using German documents. Following Ukraine’s declaration of independence from the Soviet Union in 1991, scholars have begun piecing together a more complete history of the Holocaust in Ukraine.

https://www.ushmm.org/information/exhibitions/online-exhibitions/ukraine

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Z is Jewish and the biggest proponents of Ukraine support in the us are Jewish (blinken, nuland, Sherman, frum, applebaum, Goldberg)

Proposal:

If Ukraine wants more funding, a special excise tax is levied on Jews to pay for it

WTF is your problem.

Ukraine has poured its blood trying to save its country, and once Ukraine falls, god forbid, then NATO states will be at risk, which means US involvement directly.

As I said, just because a dog lives in a house, it doesn’t magically become a human

When you mean nato, do you mean France, Netherlands, Belgium, Spain, Portugal, Italy, WEST Germany, uk?

Or do you mean dark and dreary CEE, baltics, balkans?

Well, those dark and dreary Slavs in Ukraine have been doing a heroic job protecting western civilization.

What have you done lately?

Gonna guess you're a fat ass Trump voter who can barely walk 2 miles. And of course every problem is because of "the jews" or "the blacks." Pretty typical for the Russia supporters.

Stereotypes fail you - part of the reason why Biden vote targeting is so bad.

I’m a former Dem hill staffer, that runs 6 miles daily and swims for an hour.

Blacks are foundational Americans to this country — I will never be ok sending black and brown people to Eastern erurope for something that is not of our concern.

As Ali said, “ain’t no Vietcong ever called me n****r”

As for the Jews - I’ve worked in this town long enough to know what levers and pulled where, how and by whom

DP... irony of stereotyping seems so lost on you...

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Z is Jewish and the biggest proponents of Ukraine support in the us are Jewish (blinken, nuland, Sherman, frum, applebaum, Goldberg)

Proposal:

If Ukraine wants more funding, a special excise tax is levied on Jews to pay for it

WTF is your problem.

Ukraine has poured its blood trying to save its country, and once Ukraine falls, god forbid, then NATO states will be at risk, which means US involvement directly.

As I said, just because a dog lives in a house, it doesn’t magically become a human

When you mean nato, do you mean France, Netherlands, Belgium, Spain, Portugal, Italy, WEST Germany, uk?

Or do you mean dark and dreary CEE, baltics, balkans?

Oh yay, I am sure they are so thrilled at the prospect of going back to the days of having to stand in line for an hour to get a potato to feed the family.

Seriously, the most dark and dreary thing here is your own ignorance of history and the world.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Z is Jewish and the biggest proponents of Ukraine support in the us are Jewish (blinken, nuland, Sherman, frum, applebaum, Goldberg)

Proposal:

If Ukraine wants more funding, a special excise tax is levied on Jews to pay for it

WTF is your problem.

Ukraine has poured its blood trying to save its country, and once Ukraine falls, god forbid, then NATO states will be at risk, which means US involvement directly.

As I said, just because a dog lives in a house, it doesn’t magically become a human

When you mean nato, do you mean France, Netherlands, Belgium, Spain, Portugal, Italy, WEST Germany, uk?

Or do you mean dark and dreary CEE, baltics, balkans?

Well, those dark and dreary Slavs in Ukraine have been doing a heroic job protecting western civilization.

What have you done lately?

Gonna guess you're a fat ass Trump voter who can barely walk 2 miles. And of course every problem is because of "the jews" or "the blacks." Pretty typical for the Russia supporters.

Stereotypes fail you - part of the reason why Biden vote targeting is so bad.

I’m a former Dem hill staffer, that runs 6 miles daily and swims for an hour.

Blacks are foundational Americans to this country — I will never be ok sending black and brown people to Eastern erurope for something that is not of our concern.

As Ali said, “ain’t no Vietcong ever called me n****r”

As for the Jews - I’ve worked in this town long enough to know what levers and pulled where, how and by whom

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Z is Jewish and the biggest proponents of Ukraine support in the us are Jewish (blinken, nuland, Sherman, frum, applebaum, Goldberg)

Proposal:

If Ukraine wants more funding, a special excise tax is levied on Jews to pay for it

WTF is your problem.

Ukraine has poured its blood trying to save its country, and once Ukraine falls, god forbid, then NATO states will be at risk, which means US involvement directly.

As I said, just because a dog lives in a house, it doesn’t magically become a human

When you mean nato, do you mean France, Netherlands, Belgium, Spain, Portugal, Italy, WEST Germany, uk?

Or do you mean dark and dreary CEE, baltics, balkans?

Well, those dark and dreary Slavs in Ukraine have been doing a heroic job protecting western civilization.

What have you done lately?

Gonna guess you're a fat ass Trump voter who can barely walk 2 miles. And of course every problem is because of "the jews" or "the blacks." Pretty typical for the Russia supporters.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Z is Jewish and the biggest proponents of Ukraine support in the us are Jewish (blinken, nuland, Sherman, frum, applebaum, Goldberg)

Proposal:

If Ukraine wants more funding, a special excise tax is levied on Jews to pay for it

WTF is your problem.

Ukraine has poured its blood trying to save its country, and once Ukraine falls, god forbid, then NATO states will be at risk, which means US involvement directly.

As I said, just because a dog lives in a house, it doesn’t magically become a human

When you mean nato, do you mean France, Netherlands, Belgium, Spain, Portugal, Italy, WEST Germany, uk?

Or do you mean dark and dreary CEE, baltics, balkans?

Anonymous wrote:Z is Jewish and the biggest proponents of Ukraine support in the us are Jewish (blinken, nuland, Sherman, frum, applebaum, Goldberg)

Proposal:

If Ukraine wants more funding, a special excise tax is levied on Jews to pay for it

WTF is your problem.

Ukraine has poured its blood trying to save its country, and once Ukraine falls, god forbid, then NATO states will be at risk, which means US involvement directly.

GOP is playing into the hands of the Russians, Chinese and Iranians. Sad that they can undermine the US and its allies at such a critical time.

By not funding Ukraine or Israel, the Chinese now know that Taiwan is in play. There is a reason they are testing in the Phillipines right now.

And yet, the GOP will blame Biden.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hmmm, interesting that you left out the Ukrainian Nazis (OUN) from WW2, let alone the current Ukrainian Nazis.

I don’t know about current Ukrainian Nazis but yes I am fully aware that more than twenty thousand Ukrainians swore oaths to Hitler and fought against the Allies as part of the Waffen SS. The number of Ukrainian Nazis who fought for Hitler is second only to the number of Latvian Nazis.

Yes, several thousand Ukrainians fought on the side of the Nazis, because they thought that, after the Holodomor and brutal Soviet dictatorship, abuses and repression, they thought maybe the Nazis were the lesser of two evils compared to Russia.

Meanwhile, countering your 20,000 Ukrainians who fought on the side of the Germans in WWII, do you know how many Ukrainians fought AGAINST the Germans in WWII? 7 million Ukrainians served in the Soviet Red Army in WWII. And in WWII, 2.5 million Ukrainians were awarded honors by the USSR, and nearly 20% of the recipients of the USSR's highest award, Hero of the Soviet Union (equivalent to Congressional Medal of Honor) were Ukrainians. 127,000 Ukrainian women served in the Red Army. That number alone dwarfs your "20,000 Nazis."

Meanwhile, perhaps you were also not aware that there were far more Russians who fought on the side of the Nazis than there were Ukrainians. In fact 20% of the Nazi Wehrmacht troops in Russia had been recruited from Russia. 1.4 million Soviets fought on the side of the Nazis. Also look up Lokot Republic, Zuyev Republic, Unternehmen Zeppelin, First Russian National Army, Committee for the Liberation of the Peoples of Russia (KONR), Russian Liberation Army (ROA), Russian National People's Army (RNNA), Russian Protective Corps, Russian People's Labour Party (RTNP) and all of the other Russian groups that collaborated with Nazis.

That should provide context so that maybe now you will knock it off with your broken "uKRaINiANz ArE NaZIs!!!!!!1!!" narrative.

After Latvia, the Ukrainians had the most foreign troops directly serving Hitler.
Oh and there’s no lesser of two evils when it comes to serving Hitler against the Allies (you know, the good guys). What’s the word for them? Oh traitors.
It’s nice to see those monuments to Ukrainian Nazis in Canada get constantly vandalized.

They still celebrate Bandera’s birthday and death day, and welcome an actually UKR Nazi in the Canadian Parliament. Disgusting.

Z is Jewish and the biggest proponents of Ukraine support in the us are Jewish (blinken, nuland, Sherman, frum, applebaum, Goldberg)

Proposal:

If Ukraine wants more funding, a special excise tax is levied on Jews to pay for it

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hmmm, interesting that you left out the Ukrainian Nazis (OUN) from WW2, let alone the current Ukrainian Nazis.

I don’t know about current Ukrainian Nazis but yes I am fully aware that more than twenty thousand Ukrainians swore oaths to Hitler and fought against the Allies as part of the Waffen SS. The number of Ukrainian Nazis who fought for Hitler is second only to the number of Latvian Nazis.

Yes, several thousand Ukrainians fought on the side of the Nazis, because they thought that, after the Holodomor and brutal Soviet dictatorship, abuses and repression, they thought maybe the Nazis were the lesser of two evils compared to Russia.

Meanwhile, countering your 20,000 Ukrainians who fought on the side of the Germans in WWII, do you know how many Ukrainians fought AGAINST the Germans in WWII? 7 million Ukrainians served in the Soviet Red Army in WWII. And in WWII, 2.5 million Ukrainians were awarded honors by the USSR, and nearly 20% of the recipients of the USSR's highest award, Hero of the Soviet Union (equivalent to Congressional Medal of Honor) were Ukrainians. 127,000 Ukrainian women served in the Red Army. That number alone dwarfs your "20,000 Nazis."

Meanwhile, perhaps you were also not aware that there were far more Russians who fought on the side of the Nazis than there were Ukrainians. In fact 20% of the Nazi Wehrmacht troops in Russia had been recruited from Russia. 1.4 million Soviets fought on the side of the Nazis. Also look up Lokot Republic, Zuyev Republic, Unternehmen Zeppelin, First Russian National Army, Committee for the Liberation of the Peoples of Russia (KONR), Russian Liberation Army (ROA), Russian National People's Army (RNNA), Russian Protective Corps, Russian People's Labour Party (RTNP) and all of the other Russian groups that collaborated with Nazis.

That should provide context so that maybe now you will knock it off with your broken "uKRaINiANz ArE NaZIs!!!!!!1!!" narrative.

After Latvia, the Ukrainians had the most foreign troops directly serving Hitler.
Oh and there’s no lesser of two evils when it comes to serving Hitler against the Allies (you know, the good guys). What’s the word for them? Oh traitors.
It’s nice to see those monuments to Ukrainian Nazis in Canada get constantly vandalized.

Nope, the USSR country that had the largest number of people collaborating with Nazis and serving Hitler was Russia. That's straight out of the history books, hon.

Nope.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hmmm, interesting that you left out the Ukrainian Nazis (OUN) from WW2, let alone the current Ukrainian Nazis.

I don’t know about current Ukrainian Nazis but yes I am fully aware that more than twenty thousand Ukrainians swore oaths to Hitler and fought against the Allies as part of the Waffen SS. The number of Ukrainian Nazis who fought for Hitler is second only to the number of Latvian Nazis.

Yes, several thousand Ukrainians fought on the side of the Nazis, because they thought that, after the Holodomor and brutal Soviet dictatorship, abuses and repression, they thought maybe the Nazis were the lesser of two evils compared to Russia.

Meanwhile, countering your 20,000 Ukrainians who fought on the side of the Germans in WWII, do you know how many Ukrainians fought AGAINST the Germans in WWII? 7 million Ukrainians served in the Soviet Red Army in WWII. And in WWII, 2.5 million Ukrainians were awarded honors by the USSR, and nearly 20% of the recipients of the USSR's highest award, Hero of the Soviet Union (equivalent to Congressional Medal of Honor) were Ukrainians. 127,000 Ukrainian women served in the Red Army. That number alone dwarfs your "20,000 Nazis."

Meanwhile, perhaps you were also not aware that there were far more Russians who fought on the side of the Nazis than there were Ukrainians. In fact 20% of the Nazi Wehrmacht troops in Russia had been recruited from Russia. 1.4 million Soviets fought on the side of the Nazis. Also look up Lokot Republic, Zuyev Republic, Unternehmen Zeppelin, First Russian National Army, Committee for the Liberation of the Peoples of Russia (KONR), Russian Liberation Army (ROA), Russian National People's Army (RNNA), Russian Protective Corps, Russian People's Labour Party (RTNP) and all of the other Russian groups that collaborated with Nazis.

That should provide context so that maybe now you will knock it off with your broken "uKRaINiANz ArE NaZIs!!!!!!1!!" narrative.

After Latvia, the Ukrainians had the most foreign troops directly serving Hitler.
Oh and there’s no lesser of two evils when it comes to serving Hitler against the Allies (you know, the good guys). What’s the word for them? Oh traitors.
It’s nice to see those monuments to Ukrainian Nazis in Canada get constantly vandalized.

Nope, the USSR country that had the largest number of people collaborating with Nazis and serving Hitler was Russia. That's straight out of the history books, hon.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hmmm, interesting that you left out the Ukrainian Nazis (OUN) from WW2, let alone the current Ukrainian Nazis.

I don’t know about current Ukrainian Nazis but yes I am fully aware that more than twenty thousand Ukrainians swore oaths to Hitler and fought against the Allies as part of the Waffen SS. The number of Ukrainian Nazis who fought for Hitler is second only to the number of Latvian Nazis.

Yes, several thousand Ukrainians fought on the side of the Nazis, because they thought that, after the Holodomor and brutal Soviet dictatorship, abuses and repression, they thought maybe the Nazis were the lesser of two evils compared to Russia.

Meanwhile, countering your 20,000 Ukrainians who fought on the side of the Germans in WWII, do you know how many Ukrainians fought AGAINST the Germans in WWII? 7 million Ukrainians served in the Soviet Red Army in WWII. And in WWII, 2.5 million Ukrainians were awarded honors by the USSR, and nearly 20% of the recipients of the USSR's highest award, Hero of the Soviet Union (equivalent to Congressional Medal of Honor) were Ukrainians. 127,000 Ukrainian women served in the Red Army. That number alone dwarfs your "20,000 Nazis."

Meanwhile, perhaps you were also not aware that there were far more Russians who fought on the side of the Nazis than there were Ukrainians. In fact 20% of the Nazi Wehrmacht troops in Russia had been recruited from Russia. 1.4 million Soviets fought on the side of the Nazis. Also look up Lokot Republic, Zuyev Republic, Unternehmen Zeppelin, First Russian National Army, Committee for the Liberation of the Peoples of Russia (KONR), Russian Liberation Army (ROA), Russian National People's Army (RNNA), Russian Protective Corps, Russian People's Labour Party (RTNP) and all of the other Russian groups that collaborated with Nazis.

That should provide context so that maybe now you will knock it off with your broken "uKRaINiANz ArE NaZIs!!!!!!1!!" narrative.

After Latvia, the Ukrainians had the most foreign troops directly serving Hitler.
Oh and there’s no lesser of two evils when it comes to serving Hitler against the Allies (you know, the good guys). What’s the word for them? Oh traitors.
It’s nice to see those monuments to Ukrainian Nazis in Canada get constantly vandalized.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, I am aware. I don’t understand why more Americans weren’t appalled…oh

Biden is scheduled to have yet another meeting with Zelenskiy. I guess Ze came to remind him what dirt Ermak is going to spill out on Biden's if they don't receive next wire immediately.

You have quite a fertile imagination.