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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I think the PP's comparison to drunken driving is apt. Someone who kills a person while driving drunk may not be an evil human being or a risk to others generally speaking. But most of us would agree that being intoxicated doesn't absolve you of responsibility for any harm done while you're behind the wheel.

On that basis, it seems like the Stanford guy should be held responsible for any and all crimes he committed while intoxicated, even if he's unlikely to do anything like that ever again and even if it was the alcohol that impaired his judgment.

But I agree with some of the PPs about the responsibility of the woman in this situation. Not legal responsibility of course, but personal responsibility. Her impaired judgment played a huge role in what happened to her, and her choices caused that impaired judgment. (As opposed to someone who is drugged without their knowledge or someone who is mentally impaired.)

Anyone who gets hit by a bus is a victim, and deserves sympathy as well as justice. But if you were high or drunk out of your mind and wandering in the middle of the street, you are partially responsible for what has happened to you. Getting blackout drunk isn't the same thing as wearing a short skirt.

I say that as someone who did a lot of stupid things in college, and I look at this woman and think there but for the grace of God....Hopefully all our kids, both boys and girls, will look at this story and take the lesson that binge drinking is a ticket to terrible, terrible situations.[/quote]

This is disgusting and ignorant.  I don't think anybody would agree that it was a great idea for her to be blackout drunk.  But that doesn't mean she deserved to be raped.  The problem here is not that she got drunk, it's that this guy thought he could rape her.  Rape is not okay.  Ever.  It's not excused.  Ever.  It's illegal.  Just because she was drunk does not then mean she should be raped.  She was a victim, you idiot.  If she's supposed to know better by not getting so drunk, why should he not know better than to commit a crime?  Rape is rape.  It's illegal.  Doesn't matter what the victim was doing.  Period.  She was raped.  Illegally.  Because rape is illegal.  I'm trying to get the point across by saying this multiple ways, but I don't think you'll get it anyway.[/quote]

No one said she *deserved* to be raped. Yes, obviously rape is wrong. But she chose to drink excessively and put herself in a vulnerable position. She has to at least take responsibility for that. It's more than a "bad idea" - it's being irresponsible with her own personal safety. 
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She chose to drink a lot.  But she didn't put herself in a "vulnerable situation," unless you are calling THE ENTIRE WORLD a vulnerable situation.  Women get raped drunk, sober, in their homes, in churches, on streets, at parties, in libraries, at sporting events, on public transportation, etc., etc., etc.  Where, exactly, would you like us to go?[/quote]

She passed out dead drunk behind a freakin' dumpster outside on a public street with a strange not so nice guy nearby.  Do not candy coat just how serious her poor judgement was.  [/quote]

The PP doesn't seem to think women should take any precautions ever.[/quote]

No, that's not what I'm saying.  I'm saying whether or not women "take precautions" has nothing to do with any kind of culpability discussion when it comes to rape.  [/quote]

Who said it did?

Lock you car doors. Don't get black out drunk. Lessons learned! [/quote]

How about some responsibility on the part of the people committing the crimes?  How about don't rape?  [/quote]

Uh.  Rape, sexual assault is not allowed.  Who the hell is telling men that it is o.k. to rape?  No one.  Good guys (the Swedes) may very well have prevented this guy from doing even worse things to this woman.

Ironically, this woman was saved and her assailant brought to justice by MEN.[/quote]

Uh.  Yeah.  My point was simply to the PPs saying things like "lock your car doors.  Don't get black out drunk"  Implying if you don't do those things, then you're asking to be raped.[/quote]

Why do you think the police recommendations are to try not to walk alone in a mall parking lot after dark, to walk in the middle of the driving area and not near parked cars, to have your key out and ready, and to lock your car doors as soon as you get in your car? Do you view those recommendations as helpful?[/quote]

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