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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]How about supporters of violent settlers in the West Bank? Should we deport them?[/quote]

With provisional green cards? Fine by me.[/quote]

In fact we did exactly that:
https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/israel-us-deny-visas-extremist-settliers-west-bank/[/quote]

No we didn't. The US denied visas for certain Israelis to be able to come to the US. Which is completely different from deporting a permanent legal resident with a green card - someone who is already in our country, entitled to Constitutional rights and due process.[/quote]
+1 not the same. [/quote]

Even if it's not the same no one on the Left cared about this new precedent created by Biden and it swept broadly enough to now deny a Visa to anyone who disagrees with WH foreign policy. That now means anyone who thinks Israel are colonial settlers and there should only be a single Palestinian state.[/quote]
"Even if it's not the same, I'm going to bring in something that's not related because I can't defend this."

Once again, a [b]green card holder is protected by US laws.[/b] A foreigner wanting a visa to come to the US is not protected by US law.[/quote]

Not if they committed fraud by intentionally  misrepresenting their involvement in activities asked about on the form. If you lie about something that is material, and it comes to light, your benefit, including citizenship, can be revoked and you will be deported. [/quote]
Regardless of what you think he did, he is protected by US law in that he gets his day in court, ie, due process.

A foreigner requesting a visa to come to the US doesn't get due process.

Get it?

Also, Melania lied on her green card application. Why isn't she getting deported?  [/quote]

His administrative day in court is with an immigration judge. What don't you get?

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Indeed, but some people are saying he should just be deported, as in he doesn't get due process.

This is not that dissimilar to the Red Scare where ultra right wing nationalists went after anyone who sympathized with communists.

Ultra right wingers don't actually believe in free speech except when it comes to them being able to spew hate and anti-government rhetoric.[/quote]

I imagine most people calling for deportation understand there is a process in place that, in their view, should lead to deportation. But free speech has its limits, even here in the US of A. [/quote]
According to SCOTUS, hate speech is part of free speech.  He can say he supports Hamas (free speech) but as long as he hasn't materially supported them, he didn't break any laws.[/quote]

That’s not the legal issue. At all.

US statutes allow deportation of aliens who endorse terrorism.

Doesn’t require material support (that’s a totally separate legal issue, wholly unrelated to Khalil’s case).

Doesn’t require breaking any laws.

If you are an alien and you “endorse” a terrorist group, the law allows the government to deport you. Period.

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Only to MAGA would a critique of Israeli genocide in the name of “self defense” be considered “terrorism”. Who is being terrorized? Who is living in fear of their lives or safety? Honestly. Not talking about “being made to feel slightly uncomfortable by the fact that I support an apartheid state.” [/quote]

None of the above is relevant to the legal issues.

Only 2 questions matter:

1. Did Khalil endorse Hamas?

2. If so, is the law allowing deportation for endorsing terrorist organizations constitutional?

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