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Anonymous wrote:These last several posts are the machinations of sick, deranged people. The protests were about calling for a ceasefire to stop the CURRENT indiscriminate Israeli slaughter of innocent men, women and children in Gaza. Which, incidentally, the entire world, aside from the U.S. and Israel, agree on. That’s it.

No support for Hamas. No endorsement or support, material or otherwise, for any organization that harms / harmed innocents. No indifference to the plight of the hostages, or their loved ones desperately seeking their safe return. No calls for the destruction of Israel. No calls for harm to Jewish individuals here or anywhere else. None of that.

The distortion of those facts, on the basis of an enduring hatred and disdain of others perceived as lesser than, is astounding. All of you making these claims are truly unwell.

“Unwell” are people like you with your continual and unending gaslighting. Do you think we can’t see the videos and photos released by actual protestors at the protests? You don’t think we see the Hamas armbands? The backpacks with paragliders on them? The official statements from various groups comparing the 10/7 murderers to freedom fighters? The silence on the hostages, the tearing down of photos of kidnapped babies, the vandalism, and the violence?

We saw all that. And you can’t pretend it didn’t happen.

You are the unwell one, with your delusions and your lies. But unfortunately for you, the student protestors were proud of their support of Hamas, and let us all know about it through their own actions, which they helpfully documented. And so the country reacted accordingly.

Nobody expected a true believer like you to recognize that you are truly unwell. And the post wasn’t intended to relieve you of those delusions anyway. It was intended to reassure others that opposing fascism is always the right thing to do.

I’m curious: do you understand just how extremist you are considered outside your radical left bubble? Do you understand that across the country, you’d be considered the unwell one?

Extremist? How so? For having a moral compass at the center of my belief system? For criticizing the indiscriminate killing of innocents? For agreeing with 95%+ of the global population that the right of self-defense does not authorize genocidal actions taken by a foreign nation? For believing the founding fathers of my country, who engaged in quite a few acts that would be characterized as “terrorism” today, enshrined my right to free speech centuries ago?

Do tell, self-anointed everyman!

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You are too crazy to talk with. But I suspect the answer is no, you do not understand just how extremist you sound to most Americans, who simply aren’t going to defend 10/7 like you do.

Also, you are wrong about global attitudes. But again, you are too far gone to have a reasonable discussion.

Global attitudes?! Did you bury your head in THAT much sand over the past two years as the U.S., Israel, and basically a handful of micro-states beholden to the U.S. for WB / USAID reasons were the only things standing in the way of the entire U.N. membership denouncing Israel’s policies and actions?!

Approx. 190 nations and their representatives speaking for over 95% of the global population voted to condemn Israel’s policies and actions.

How have you missed all of that, Magoo?

Ah, yes. All the global speaking. So much global speaking. Many, many, many global words. Much talk.

But no actual action. No opening of borders. No offers to rehome Palestinians in a new country. No refusal of US aid. Nothing that would actually require work, money, and risk.

You’ll forgive me if I’m not persuaded by loud and repetitive words. Get back to me when all the many, many speakers in the world are willing lift even the tiniest of fingers to back their many, many, many words.

Nice goalpost moving, Magoo.

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Anonymous wrote:These last several posts are the machinations of sick, deranged people. The protests were about calling for a ceasefire to stop the CURRENT indiscriminate Israeli slaughter of innocent men, women and children in Gaza. Which, incidentally, the entire world, aside from the U.S. and Israel, agree on. That’s it.

No support for Hamas. No endorsement or support, material or otherwise, for any organization that harms / harmed innocents. No indifference to the plight of the hostages, or their loved ones desperately seeking their safe return. No calls for the destruction of Israel. No calls for harm to Jewish individuals here or anywhere else. None of that.

The distortion of those facts, on the basis of an enduring hatred and disdain of others perceived as lesser than, is astounding. All of you making these claims are truly unwell.

“Unwell” are people like you with your continual and unending gaslighting. Do you think we can’t see the videos and photos released by actual protestors at the protests? You don’t think we see the Hamas armbands? The backpacks with paragliders on them? The official statements from various groups comparing the 10/7 murderers to freedom fighters? The silence on the hostages, the tearing down of photos of kidnapped babies, the vandalism, and the violence?

We saw all that. And you can’t pretend it didn’t happen.

You are the unwell one, with your delusions and your lies. But unfortunately for you, the student protestors were proud of their support of Hamas, and let us all know about it through their own actions, which they helpfully documented. And so the country reacted accordingly.

Nobody expected a true believer like you to recognize that you are truly unwell. And the post wasn’t intended to relieve you of those delusions anyway. It was intended to reassure others that opposing fascism is always the right thing to do.

I’m curious: do you understand just how extremist you are considered outside your radical left bubble? Do you understand that across the country, you’d be considered the unwell one?

Extremist? How so? For having a moral compass at the center of my belief system? For criticizing the indiscriminate killing of innocents? For agreeing with 95%+ of the global population that the right of self-defense does not authorize genocidal actions taken by a foreign nation? For believing the founding fathers of my country, who engaged in quite a few acts that would be characterized as “terrorism” today, enshrined my right to free speech centuries ago?



Do tell, self-anointed everyman!

Your "moral compass" evidently needs calibration. A homicidal population, constantly repopulating terrorist organizations as their members are killed off, dedicated to the destruction of their neighbor, deserves no quarter. In 1948 they could have had a separate state, and could have lived in peace thereafter. instead, they waged a war of annihilation against the newly created Jewish state. Every subsequent conflict has been started by Palestinians, has been lost by Palestinians, and has resulted in them losing territory and in becoming pariahs in the Arab world.

The sooner they are all shipped to Yemen, the aooner peace will come to the region.

Israel seized their home. The “newly created” state was founded on land stolen from others, who were then subjugated in their home. And Israel has not stopped, continuing to encroach more every year. Israel does not want peace, they want the annihilation of the people whose land they occupy.

Considering they only have this land because of the Holocaust, their behavior has been abhorrent. We need to stop propping them up and let them learn how to make peace or suffer the consequences.

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Anonymous wrote:These last several posts are the machinations of sick, deranged people. The protests were about calling for a ceasefire to stop the CURRENT indiscriminate Israeli slaughter of innocent men, women and children in Gaza. Which, incidentally, the entire world, aside from the U.S. and Israel, agree on. That’s it.

No support for Hamas. No endorsement or support, material or otherwise, for any organization that harms / harmed innocents. No indifference to the plight of the hostages, or their loved ones desperately seeking their safe return. No calls for the destruction of Israel. No calls for harm to Jewish individuals here or anywhere else. None of that.

The distortion of those facts, on the basis of an enduring hatred and disdain of others perceived as lesser than, is astounding. All of you making these claims are truly unwell.

“Unwell” are people like you with your continual and unending gaslighting. Do you think we can’t see the videos and photos released by actual protestors at the protests? You don’t think we see the Hamas armbands? The backpacks with paragliders on them? The official statements from various groups comparing the 10/7 murderers to freedom fighters? The silence on the hostages, the tearing down of photos of kidnapped babies, the vandalism, and the violence?

We saw all that. And you can’t pretend it didn’t happen.

You are the unwell one, with your delusions and your lies. But unfortunately for you, the student protestors were proud of their support of Hamas, and let us all know about it through their own actions, which they helpfully documented. And so the country reacted accordingly.

Nobody expected a true believer like you to recognize that you are truly unwell. And the post wasn’t intended to relieve you of those delusions anyway. It was intended to reassure others that opposing fascism is always the right thing to do.

I’m curious: do you understand just how extremist you are considered outside your radical left bubble? Do you understand that across the country, you’d be considered the unwell one?

Extremist? How so? For having a moral compass at the center of my belief system? For criticizing the indiscriminate killing of innocents? For agreeing with 95%+ of the global population that the right of self-defense does not authorize genocidal actions taken by a foreign nation? For believing the founding fathers of my country, who engaged in quite a few acts that would be characterized as “terrorism” today, enshrined my right to free speech centuries ago?

Do tell, self-anointed everyman!

😳

You are too crazy to talk with. But I suspect the answer is no, you do not understand just how extremist you sound to most Americans, who simply aren’t going to defend 10/7 like you do.

Also, you are wrong about global attitudes. But again, you are too far gone to have a reasonable discussion.

Global attitudes?! Did you bury your head in THAT much sand over the past two years as the U.S., Israel, and basically a handful of micro-states beholden to the U.S. for WB / USAID reasons were the only things standing in the way of the entire U.N. membership denouncing Israel’s policies and actions?!

Approx. 190 nations and their representatives speaking for over 95% of the global population voted to condemn Israel’s policies and actions.

How have you missed all of that, Magoo?

Ah, yes. All the global speaking. So much global speaking. Many, many, many global words. Much talk.

But no actual action. No opening of borders. No offers to rehome Palestinians in a new country. No refusal of US aid. Nothing that would actually require work, money, and risk.

You’ll forgive me if I’m not persuaded by loud and repetitive words. Get back to me when all the many, many speakers in the world are willing lift even the tiniest of fingers to back their many, many, many words.

Nice goalpost moving, Magoo.

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Anonymous wrote:These last several posts are the machinations of sick, deranged people. The protests were about calling for a ceasefire to stop the CURRENT indiscriminate Israeli slaughter of innocent men, women and children in Gaza. Which, incidentally, the entire world, aside from the U.S. and Israel, agree on. That’s it.

No support for Hamas. No endorsement or support, material or otherwise, for any organization that harms / harmed innocents. No indifference to the plight of the hostages, or their loved ones desperately seeking their safe return. No calls for the destruction of Israel. No calls for harm to Jewish individuals here or anywhere else. None of that.

The distortion of those facts, on the basis of an enduring hatred and disdain of others perceived as lesser than, is astounding. All of you making these claims are truly unwell.

“Unwell” are people like you with your continual and unending gaslighting. Do you think we can’t see the videos and photos released by actual protestors at the protests? You don’t think we see the Hamas armbands? The backpacks with paragliders on them? The official statements from various groups comparing the 10/7 murderers to freedom fighters? The silence on the hostages, the tearing down of photos of kidnapped babies, the vandalism, and the violence?

We saw all that. And you can’t pretend it didn’t happen.

You are the unwell one, with your delusions and your lies. But unfortunately for you, the student protestors were proud of their support of Hamas, and let us all know about it through their own actions, which they helpfully documented. And so the country reacted accordingly.

Nobody expected a true believer like you to recognize that you are truly unwell. And the post wasn’t intended to relieve you of those delusions anyway. It was intended to reassure others that opposing fascism is always the right thing to do.

I’m curious: do you understand just how extremist you are considered outside your radical left bubble? Do you understand that across the country, you’d be considered the unwell one?

Extremist? How so? For having a moral compass at the center of my belief system? For criticizing the indiscriminate killing of innocents? For agreeing with 95%+ of the global population that the right of self-defense does not authorize genocidal actions taken by a foreign nation? For believing the founding fathers of my country, who engaged in quite a few acts that would be characterized as “terrorism” today, enshrined my right to free speech centuries ago?

Do tell, self-anointed everyman!

😳

You are too crazy to talk with. But I suspect the answer is no, you do not understand just how extremist you sound to most Americans, who simply aren’t going to defend 10/7 like you do.

Also, you are wrong about global attitudes. But again, you are too far gone to have a reasonable discussion.

Global attitudes?! Did you bury your head in THAT much sand over the past two years as the U.S., Israel, and basically a handful of micro-states beholden to the U.S. for WB / USAID reasons were the only things standing in the way of the entire U.N. membership denouncing Israel’s policies and actions?!

Approx. 190 nations and their representatives speaking for over 95% of the global population voted to condemn Israel’s policies and actions.

How have you missed all of that, Magoo?

Ah, yes. All the global speaking. So much global speaking. Many, many, many global words. Much talk.

But no actual action. No opening of borders. No offers to rehome Palestinians in a new country. No refusal of US aid. Nothing that would actually require work, money, and risk.

You’ll forgive me if I’m not persuaded by loud and repetitive words. Get back to me when all the many, many speakers in the world are willing lift even the tiniest of fingers to back their many, many, many words.

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Anonymous wrote:These last several posts are the machinations of sick, deranged people. The protests were about calling for a ceasefire to stop the CURRENT indiscriminate Israeli slaughter of innocent men, women and children in Gaza. Which, incidentally, the entire world, aside from the U.S. and Israel, agree on. That’s it.

No support for Hamas. No endorsement or support, material or otherwise, for any organization that harms / harmed innocents. No indifference to the plight of the hostages, or their loved ones desperately seeking their safe return. No calls for the destruction of Israel. No calls for harm to Jewish individuals here or anywhere else. None of that.

The distortion of those facts, on the basis of an enduring hatred and disdain of others perceived as lesser than, is astounding. All of you making these claims are truly unwell.

“Unwell” are people like you with your continual and unending gaslighting. Do you think we can’t see the videos and photos released by actual protestors at the protests? You don’t think we see the Hamas armbands? The backpacks with paragliders on them? The official statements from various groups comparing the 10/7 murderers to freedom fighters? The silence on the hostages, the tearing down of photos of kidnapped babies, the vandalism, and the violence?

We saw all that. And you can’t pretend it didn’t happen.

You are the unwell one, with your delusions and your lies. But unfortunately for you, the student protestors were proud of their support of Hamas, and let us all know about it through their own actions, which they helpfully documented. And so the country reacted accordingly.

Nobody expected a true believer like you to recognize that you are truly unwell. And the post wasn’t intended to relieve you of those delusions anyway. It was intended to reassure others that opposing fascism is always the right thing to do.

I’m curious: do you understand just how extremist you are considered outside your radical left bubble? Do you understand that across the country, you’d be considered the unwell one?

Extremist? How so? For having a moral compass at the center of my belief system? For criticizing the indiscriminate killing of innocents? For agreeing with 95%+ of the global population that the right of self-defense does not authorize genocidal actions taken by a foreign nation? For believing the founding fathers of my country, who engaged in quite a few acts that would be characterized as “terrorism” today, enshrined my right to free speech centuries ago?

Do tell, self-anointed everyman!

😳

You are too crazy to talk with. But I suspect the answer is no, you do not understand just how extremist you sound to most Americans, who simply aren’t going to defend 10/7 like you do.

Also, you are wrong about global attitudes. But again, you are too far gone to have a reasonable discussion.

Global attitudes?! Did you bury your head in THAT much sand over the past two years as the U.S., Israel, and basically a handful of micro-states beholden to the U.S. for WB / USAID reasons were the only things standing in the way of the entire U.N. membership denouncing Israel’s policies and actions?!

Approx. 190 nations and their representatives speaking for over 95% of the global population voted to condemn Israel’s policies and actions.

How have you missed all of that, Magoo?

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Anonymous wrote:These last several posts are the machinations of sick, deranged people. The protests were about calling for a ceasefire to stop the CURRENT indiscriminate Israeli slaughter of innocent men, women and children in Gaza. Which, incidentally, the entire world, aside from the U.S. and Israel, agree on. That’s it.

No support for Hamas. No endorsement or support, material or otherwise, for any organization that harms / harmed innocents. No indifference to the plight of the hostages, or their loved ones desperately seeking their safe return. No calls for the destruction of Israel. No calls for harm to Jewish individuals here or anywhere else. None of that.

The distortion of those facts, on the basis of an enduring hatred and disdain of others perceived as lesser than, is astounding. All of you making these claims are truly unwell.

“Unwell” are people like you with your continual and unending gaslighting. Do you think we can’t see the videos and photos released by actual protestors at the protests? You don’t think we see the Hamas armbands? The backpacks with paragliders on them? The official statements from various groups comparing the 10/7 murderers to freedom fighters? The silence on the hostages, the tearing down of photos of kidnapped babies, the vandalism, and the violence?

We saw all that. And you can’t pretend it didn’t happen.

You are the unwell one, with your delusions and your lies. But unfortunately for you, the student protestors were proud of their support of Hamas, and let us all know about it through their own actions, which they helpfully documented. And so the country reacted accordingly.

Nobody expected a true believer like you to recognize that you are truly unwell. And the post wasn’t intended to relieve you of those delusions anyway. It was intended to reassure others that opposing fascism is always the right thing to do.

I’m curious: do you understand just how extremist you are considered outside your radical left bubble? Do you understand that across the country, you’d be considered the unwell one?

Extremist? How so? For having a moral compass at the center of my belief system? For criticizing the indiscriminate killing of innocents? For agreeing with 95%+ of the global population that the right of self-defense does not authorize genocidal actions taken by a foreign nation? For believing the founding fathers of my country, who engaged in quite a few acts that would be characterized as “terrorism” today, enshrined my right to free speech centuries ago?

Do tell, self-anointed everyman!

😳

You are too crazy to talk with. But I suspect the answer is no, you do not understand just how extremist you sound to most Americans, who simply aren’t going to defend 10/7 like you do.

Also, you are wrong about global attitudes. But again, you are too far gone to have a reasonable discussion.

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Anonymous wrote:These last several posts are the machinations of sick, deranged people. The protests were about calling for a ceasefire to stop the CURRENT indiscriminate Israeli slaughter of innocent men, women and children in Gaza. Which, incidentally, the entire world, aside from the U.S. and Israel, agree on. That’s it.

No support for Hamas. No endorsement or support, material or otherwise, for any organization that harms / harmed innocents. No indifference to the plight of the hostages, or their loved ones desperately seeking their safe return. No calls for the destruction of Israel. No calls for harm to Jewish individuals here or anywhere else. None of that.

The distortion of those facts, on the basis of an enduring hatred and disdain of others perceived as lesser than, is astounding. All of you making these claims are truly unwell.

“Unwell” are people like you with your continual and unending gaslighting. Do you think we can’t see the videos and photos released by actual protestors at the protests? You don’t think we see the Hamas armbands? The backpacks with paragliders on them? The official statements from various groups comparing the 10/7 murderers to freedom fighters? The silence on the hostages, the tearing down of photos of kidnapped babies, the vandalism, and the violence?

We saw all that. And you can’t pretend it didn’t happen.

You are the unwell one, with your delusions and your lies. But unfortunately for you, the student protestors were proud of their support of Hamas, and let us all know about it through their own actions, which they helpfully documented. And so the country reacted accordingly.

Nobody expected a true believer like you to recognize that you are truly unwell. And the post wasn’t intended to relieve you of those delusions anyway. It was intended to reassure others that opposing fascism is always the right thing to do.

I’m curious: do you understand just how extremist you are considered outside your radical left bubble? Do you understand that across the country, you’d be considered the unwell one?

Extremist? How so? For having a moral compass at the center of my belief system? For criticizing the indiscriminate killing of innocents? For agreeing with 95%+ of the global population that the right of self-defense does not authorize genocidal actions taken by a foreign nation? For believing the founding fathers of my country, who engaged in quite a few acts that would be characterized as “terrorism” today, enshrined my right to free speech centuries ago?

Do tell, self-anointed everyman!

😳

You are too crazy to talk with. But I suspect the answer is no, you do not understand just how extremist you sound to most Americans, who simply aren’t going to defend 10/7 like you do.

Also, you are wrong about global attitudes. But again, you are too far gone to have a reasonable discussion.

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Anonymous wrote:How about supporters of violent settlers in the West Bank? Should we deport them?

With provisional green cards? Fine by me.

In fact we did exactly that:
https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/israel-us-deny-visas-extremist-settliers-west-bank/

No we didn't. The US denied visas for certain Israelis to be able to come to the US. Which is completely different from deporting a permanent legal resident with a green card - someone who is already in our country, entitled to Constitutional rights and due process.

+1 not the same.

Even if it's not the same no one on the Left cared about this new precedent created by Biden and it swept broadly enough to now deny a Visa to anyone who disagrees with WH foreign policy. That now means anyone who thinks Israel are colonial settlers and there should only be a single Palestinian state.

"Even if it's not the same, I'm going to bring in something that's not related because I can't defend this."

Once again, a green card holder is protected by US laws. A foreigner wanting a visa to come to the US is not protected by US law.

Not if they committed fraud by intentionally misrepresenting their involvement in activities asked about on the form. If you lie about something that is material, and it comes to light, your benefit, including citizenship, can be revoked and you will be deported.

Regardless of what you think he did, he is protected by US law in that he gets his day in court, ie, due process.

A foreigner requesting a visa to come to the US doesn't get due process.

Get it?

Also, Melania lied on her green card application. Why isn't she getting deported?

His administrative day in court is with an immigration judge. What don't you get?

Indeed, but some people are saying he should just be deported, as in he doesn't get due process.

This is not that dissimilar to the Red Scare where ultra right wing nationalists went after anyone who sympathized with communists.

Ultra right wingers don't actually believe in free speech except when it comes to them being able to spew hate and anti-government rhetoric.

I imagine most people calling for deportation understand there is a process in place that, in their view, should lead to deportation. But free speech has its limits, even here in the US of A.

According to SCOTUS, hate speech is part of free speech. He can say he supports Hamas (free speech) but as long as he hasn't materially supported them, he didn't break any laws.

That’s not the legal issue. At all.

US statutes allow deportation of aliens who endorse terrorism.

Doesn’t require material support (that’s a totally separate legal issue, wholly unrelated to Khalil’s case).

Doesn’t require breaking any laws.

If you are an alien and you “endorse” a terrorist group, the law allows the government to deport you. Period.

Only to MAGA would a critique of Israeli genocide in the name of “self defense” be considered “terrorism”. Who is being terrorized? Who is living in fear of their lives or safety? Honestly. Not talking about “being made to feel slightly uncomfortable by the fact that I support an apartheid state.”

None of the above is relevant to the legal issues.

Only 2 questions matter:

1. Did Khalil endorse Hamas?

2. If so, is the law allowing deportation for endorsing terrorist organizations constitutional?

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Anonymous wrote:It is clear why he is being deported. Hamas is a terrorist organization.

It's common sense this guy and those like him are people who shouldn't be here.

Looking at this, it appears the federal government can legally deport greed card holders based on their advocating or expressing support for terrorist acts.

That said, the terrorist label has become a red herring. Clearly Palestinians and Israelis disagree on who gets to live where on the land. A world where wars are fought as humanely as possible is also clearly a good thing.

But the Palestinians don't have an army, air force or navy. I'm pretty sure Israel would never allow that. So is it surprising the Palestinians resort to terror and other asymmetrical tactics? Should Palestinian jihadists declare war on Israel and attempt to march on Israeli military bases? If the Palestinians are denied access to a regular conventional army it seems a terror response is to be expected.


If a Palestinian militant goes home to an apartment building and the IDF blows the building up killing dozens of people, is the claim that Hamas hides among civilians absolve the IDF from any culpability?

Plenty of oppressed people in the world. A few great leaders found non violent ways to protest and free them: MLK, Gandhi to name a couple. Their causes were no less just. This guy is not one of those great leaders. He has called for and celebrated violence against civilians. He has therefore violated the terms of his probationary acceptance into the US and needs to be deported. Why would we accept any person advocating for violence? It puts our own country and citizens at risk. The ends do not justify the means.

He didn't commit any violence, nor did he advocate for violence in the US.

I think there are many Jewish American Zionists who also put this country at risk, and put Israel's interests above the US'.

Nelson Mandela also used violence. I guess he was a terrorist in your eyes.

DP. You are showing your ignorance with your statement about Mandela. His own party admitted to atrocities, eventually. And it is flat-out delusional to compare Khalil to Mandela.

https://www.nytimes.com/1997/05/13/world/party-led-by-mandela-now-owns-up-to-atrocities.html

Indeed, so you would consider Mandela a terrorist, even though he fought for equal rights for native South Africans?

And you're right, not a fair comparison.. Mandela actually committed violence, where has Khalil did not.

I wouldn’t consider Mandela a terrorist in his own country. Now, if Mandela had been a green card holder in the US advocating relentlessly for necklacing his political opponents (including Americans and babies) from his comfy and safe position in the US, that would be a different matter. And that’s what the Khalil situation is analogous to.

So, if Nelson Mandela was living in the US fighting apartheid, you would want him to be deported. Got it.

You think people who are fighting for freedom should be limited to only being nice if they live in the US, but fine for them to use violence if they live in another country.

Did Khalil actually say babies should have their heads cut off? I didn't read that part.

I do not think the US has any obligation to house foreign nationals who support and advocate for terrorism against Americans and others. Call me crazy if you’d like, but I suspect you are in .05% of the US population in taking that position.

If Mandela had been supporting the execution of babies from the US, I would have said the same thing about him.

Again ,did he say he supported killing babies?

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Anonymous wrote:It is clear why he is being deported. Hamas is a terrorist organization.

It's common sense this guy and those like him are people who shouldn't be here.

Looking at this, it appears the federal government can legally deport greed card holders based on their advocating or expressing support for terrorist acts.

That said, the terrorist label has become a red herring. Clearly Palestinians and Israelis disagree on who gets to live where on the land. A world where wars are fought as humanely as possible is also clearly a good thing.

But the Palestinians don't have an army, air force or navy. I'm pretty sure Israel would never allow that. So is it surprising the Palestinians resort to terror and other asymmetrical tactics? Should Palestinian jihadists declare war on Israel and attempt to march on Israeli military bases? If the Palestinians are denied access to a regular conventional army it seems a terror response is to be expected.


If a Palestinian militant goes home to an apartment building and the IDF blows the building up killing dozens of people, is the claim that Hamas hides among civilians absolve the IDF from any culpability?

Plenty of oppressed people in the world. A few great leaders found non violent ways to protest and free them: MLK, Gandhi to name a couple. Their causes were no less just. This guy is not one of those great leaders. He has called for and celebrated violence against civilians. He has therefore violated the terms of his probationary acceptance into the US and needs to be deported. Why would we accept any person advocating for violence? It puts our own country and citizens at risk. The ends do not justify the means.

He didn't commit any violence, nor did he advocate for violence in the US.

I think there are many Jewish American Zionists who also put this country at risk, and put Israel's interests above the US'.

Nelson Mandela also used violence. I guess he was a terrorist in your eyes.

DP. You are showing your ignorance with your statement about Mandela. His own party admitted to atrocities, eventually. And it is flat-out delusional to compare Khalil to Mandela.

https://www.nytimes.com/1997/05/13/world/party-led-by-mandela-now-owns-up-to-atrocities.html

Indeed, so you would consider Mandela a terrorist, even though he fought for equal rights for native South Africans?

And you're right, not a fair comparison.. Mandela actually committed violence, where has Khalil did not.

I wouldn’t consider Mandela a terrorist in his own country. Now, if Mandela had been a green card holder in the US advocating relentlessly for necklacing his political opponents (including Americans and babies) from his comfy and safe position in the US, that would be a different matter. And that’s what the Khalil situation is analogous to.

So, if Nelson Mandela was living in the US fighting apartheid, you would want him to be deported. Got it.

You think people who are fighting for freedom should be limited to only being nice if they live in the US, but fine for them to use violence if they live in another country.

Did Khalil actually say babies should have their heads cut off? I didn't read that part.

I do not think the US has any obligation to house foreign nationals who support and advocate for terrorism against Americans and others. Call me crazy if you’d like, but I suspect you are in .05% of the US population in taking that position.

If Mandela had been supporting the execution of babies from the US, I would have said the same thing about him.

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Anonymous wrote:How about supporters of violent settlers in the West Bank? Should we deport them?

With provisional green cards? Fine by me.

In fact we did exactly that:
https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/israel-us-deny-visas-extremist-settliers-west-bank/

No we didn't. The US denied visas for certain Israelis to be able to come to the US. Which is completely different from deporting a permanent legal resident with a green card - someone who is already in our country, entitled to Constitutional rights and due process.

+1 not the same.

Even if it's not the same no one on the Left cared about this new precedent created by Biden and it swept broadly enough to now deny a Visa to anyone who disagrees with WH foreign policy. That now means anyone who thinks Israel are colonial settlers and there should only be a single Palestinian state.

"Even if it's not the same, I'm going to bring in something that's not related because I can't defend this."

Once again, a green card holder is protected by US laws. A foreigner wanting a visa to come to the US is not protected by US law.

Not if they committed fraud by intentionally misrepresenting their involvement in activities asked about on the form. If you lie about something that is material, and it comes to light, your benefit, including citizenship, can be revoked and you will be deported.

Regardless of what you think he did, he is protected by US law in that he gets his day in court, ie, due process.

A foreigner requesting a visa to come to the US doesn't get due process.

Get it?

Also, Melania lied on her green card application. Why isn't she getting deported?

His administrative day in court is with an immigration judge. What don't you get?

Indeed, but some people are saying he should just be deported, as in he doesn't get due process.

This is not that dissimilar to the Red Scare where ultra right wing nationalists went after anyone who sympathized with communists.

Ultra right wingers don't actually believe in free speech except when it comes to them being able to spew hate and anti-government rhetoric.

I imagine most people calling for deportation understand there is a process in place that, in their view, should lead to deportation. But free speech has its limits, even here in the US of A.

According to SCOTUS, hate speech is part of free speech. He can say he supports Hamas (free speech) but as long as he hasn't materially supported them, he didn't break any laws.

That’s not the legal issue. At all.

US statutes allow deportation of aliens who endorse terrorism.

Doesn’t require material support (that’s a totally separate legal issue, wholly unrelated to Khalil’s case).

Doesn’t require breaking any laws.

If you are an alien and you “endorse” a terrorist group, the law allows the government to deport you. Period.

Only to MAGA would a critique of Israeli genocide in the name of “self defense” be considered “terrorism”. Who is being terrorized? Who is living in fear of their lives or safety? Honestly. Not talking about “being made to feel slightly uncomfortable by the fact that I support an apartheid state.”

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Anonymous wrote:It is clear why he is being deported. Hamas is a terrorist organization.

It's common sense this guy and those like him are people who shouldn't be here.

Looking at this, it appears the federal government can legally deport greed card holders based on their advocating or expressing support for terrorist acts.

That said, the terrorist label has become a red herring. Clearly Palestinians and Israelis disagree on who gets to live where on the land. A world where wars are fought as humanely as possible is also clearly a good thing.

But the Palestinians don't have an army, air force or navy. I'm pretty sure Israel would never allow that. So is it surprising the Palestinians resort to terror and other asymmetrical tactics? Should Palestinian jihadists declare war on Israel and attempt to march on Israeli military bases? If the Palestinians are denied access to a regular conventional army it seems a terror response is to be expected.


If a Palestinian militant goes home to an apartment building and the IDF blows the building up killing dozens of people, is the claim that Hamas hides among civilians absolve the IDF from any culpability?

Plenty of oppressed people in the world. A few great leaders found non violent ways to protest and free them: MLK, Gandhi to name a couple. Their causes were no less just. This guy is not one of those great leaders. He has called for and celebrated violence against civilians. He has therefore violated the terms of his probationary acceptance into the US and needs to be deported. Why would we accept any person advocating for violence? It puts our own country and citizens at risk. The ends do not justify the means.

He didn't commit any violence, nor did he advocate for violence in the US.

I think there are many Jewish American Zionists who also put this country at risk, and put Israel's interests above the US'.

Nelson Mandela also used violence. I guess he was a terrorist in your eyes.

DP. You are showing your ignorance with your statement about Mandela. His own party admitted to atrocities, eventually. And it is flat-out delusional to compare Khalil to Mandela.

https://www.nytimes.com/1997/05/13/world/party-led-by-mandela-now-owns-up-to-atrocities.html

Indeed, so you would consider Mandela a terrorist, even though he fought for equal rights for native South Africans?

And you're right, not a fair comparison.. Mandela actually committed violence, where has Khalil did not.

I wouldn’t consider Mandela a terrorist in his own country. Now, if Mandela had been a green card holder in the US advocating relentlessly for necklacing his political opponents (including Americans and babies) from his comfy and safe position in the US, that would be a different matter. And that’s what the Khalil situation is analogous to.

So, if Nelson Mandela was living in the US fighting apartheid, you would want him to be deported. Got it.

You think people who are fighting for freedom should be limited to only being nice if they live in the US, but fine for them to use violence if they live in another country.

Did Khalil actually say babies should have their heads cut off? I didn't read that part.

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Anonymous wrote:How about supporters of violent settlers in the West Bank? Should we deport them?

With provisional green cards? Fine by me.

In fact we did exactly that:
https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/israel-us-deny-visas-extremist-settliers-west-bank/

No we didn't. The US denied visas for certain Israelis to be able to come to the US. Which is completely different from deporting a permanent legal resident with a green card - someone who is already in our country, entitled to Constitutional rights and due process.

+1 not the same.

Even if it's not the same no one on the Left cared about this new precedent created by Biden and it swept broadly enough to now deny a Visa to anyone who disagrees with WH foreign policy. That now means anyone who thinks Israel are colonial settlers and there should only be a single Palestinian state.

"Even if it's not the same, I'm going to bring in something that's not related because I can't defend this."

Once again, a green card holder is protected by US laws. A foreigner wanting a visa to come to the US is not protected by US law.

Not if they committed fraud by intentionally misrepresenting their involvement in activities asked about on the form. If you lie about something that is material, and it comes to light, your benefit, including citizenship, can be revoked and you will be deported.

Regardless of what you think he did, he is protected by US law in that he gets his day in court, ie, due process.

A foreigner requesting a visa to come to the US doesn't get due process.

Get it?

Also, Melania lied on her green card application. Why isn't she getting deported?

His administrative day in court is with an immigration judge. What don't you get?

Indeed, but some people are saying he should just be deported, as in he doesn't get due process.

This is not that dissimilar to the Red Scare where ultra right wing nationalists went after anyone who sympathized with communists.

Ultra right wingers don't actually believe in free speech except when it comes to them being able to spew hate and anti-government rhetoric.

I imagine most people calling for deportation understand there is a process in place that, in their view, should lead to deportation. But free speech has its limits, even here in the US of A.

According to SCOTUS, hate speech is part of free speech. He can say he supports Hamas (free speech) but as long as he hasn't materially supported them, he didn't break any laws.

That’s not the legal issue. At all.

US statutes allow deportation of aliens who endorse terrorism.

Doesn’t require material support (that’s a totally separate legal issue, wholly unrelated to Khalil’s case).

Doesn’t require breaking any laws.

If you are an alien and you “endorse” a terrorist group, the law allows the government to deport you. Period.

Only to MAGA would a critique of Israeli genocide in the name of “self defense” be considered “terrorism”. Who is being terrorized? Who is living in fear of their lives or safety? Honestly. Not talking about “being made to feel slightly uncomfortable by the fact that I support an apartheid state.”

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Anonymous wrote:These last several posts are the machinations of sick, deranged people. The protests were about calling for a ceasefire to stop the CURRENT indiscriminate Israeli slaughter of innocent men, women and children in Gaza. Which, incidentally, the entire world, aside from the U.S. and Israel, agree on. That’s it.

No support for Hamas. No endorsement or support, material or otherwise, for any organization that harms / harmed innocents. No indifference to the plight of the hostages, or their loved ones desperately seeking their safe return. No calls for the destruction of Israel. No calls for harm to Jewish individuals here or anywhere else. None of that.

The distortion of those facts, on the basis of an enduring hatred and disdain of others perceived as lesser than, is astounding. All of you making these claims are truly unwell.

“Unwell” are people like you with your continual and unending gaslighting. Do you think we can’t see the videos and photos released by actual protestors at the protests? You don’t think we see the Hamas armbands? The backpacks with paragliders on them? The official statements from various groups comparing the 10/7 murderers to freedom fighters? The silence on the hostages, the tearing down of photos of kidnapped babies, the vandalism, and the violence?

We saw all that. And you can’t pretend it didn’t happen.

You are the unwell one, with your delusions and your lies. But unfortunately for you, the student protestors were proud of their support of Hamas, and let us all know about it through their own actions, which they helpfully documented. And so the country reacted accordingly.

Nobody expected a true believer like you to recognize that you are truly unwell. And the post wasn’t intended to relieve you of those delusions anyway. It was intended to reassure others that opposing fascism is always the right thing to do.

I’m curious: do you understand just how extremist you are considered outside your radical left bubble? Do you understand that across the country, you’d be considered the unwell one?

Extremist? How so? For having a moral compass at the center of my belief system? For criticizing the indiscriminate killing of innocents? For agreeing with 95%+ of the global population that the right of self-defense does not authorize genocidal actions taken by a foreign nation? For believing the founding fathers of my country, who engaged in quite a few acts that would be characterized as “terrorism” today, enshrined my right to free speech centuries ago?



Do tell, self-anointed everyman!

Your "moral compass" evidently needs calibration. A homicidal population, constantly repopulating terrorist organizations as their members are killed off, dedicated to the destruction of their neighbor, deserves no quarter. In 1948 they could have had a separate state, and could have lived in peace thereafter. instead, they waged a war of annihilation against the newly created Jewish state. Every subsequent conflict has been started by Palestinians, has been lost by Palestinians, and has resulted in them losing territory and in becoming pariahs in the Arab world.

The sooner they are all shipped to Yemen, the aooner peace will come to the region.

Israel seized their home. The “newly created” state was founded on land stolen from others, who were then subjugated in their home. And Israel has not stopped, continuing to encroach more every year. Israel does not want peace, they want the annihilation of the people whose land they occupy.

Considering they only have this land because of the Holocaust, their behavior has been abhorrent. We need to stop propping them up and let them learn how to make peace or suffer the consequences.

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Anonymous wrote:It is clear why he is being deported. Hamas is a terrorist organization.

It's common sense this guy and those like him are people who shouldn't be here.

Looking at this, it appears the federal government can legally deport greed card holders based on their advocating or expressing support for terrorist acts.

That said, the terrorist label has become a red herring. Clearly Palestinians and Israelis disagree on who gets to live where on the land. A world where wars are fought as humanely as possible is also clearly a good thing.

But the Palestinians don't have an army, air force or navy. I'm pretty sure Israel would never allow that. So is it surprising the Palestinians resort to terror and other asymmetrical tactics? Should Palestinian jihadists declare war on Israel and attempt to march on Israeli military bases? If the Palestinians are denied access to a regular conventional army it seems a terror response is to be expected.


If a Palestinian militant goes home to an apartment building and the IDF blows the building up killing dozens of people, is the claim that Hamas hides among civilians absolve the IDF from any culpability?

Plenty of oppressed people in the world. A few great leaders found non violent ways to protest and free them: MLK, Gandhi to name a couple. Their causes were no less just. This guy is not one of those great leaders. He has called for and celebrated violence against civilians. He has therefore violated the terms of his probationary acceptance into the US and needs to be deported. Why would we accept any person advocating for violence? It puts our own country and citizens at risk. The ends do not justify the means.

He didn't commit any violence, nor did he advocate for violence in the US.

I think there are many Jewish American Zionists who also put this country at risk, and put Israel's interests above the US'.

Nelson Mandela also used violence. I guess he was a terrorist in your eyes.

DP. You are showing your ignorance with your statement about Mandela. His own party admitted to atrocities, eventually. And it is flat-out delusional to compare Khalil to Mandela.

https://www.nytimes.com/1997/05/13/world/party-led-by-mandela-now-owns-up-to-atrocities.html

Indeed, so you would consider Mandela a terrorist, even though he fought for equal rights for native South Africans?

And you're right, not a fair comparison.. Mandela actually committed violence, where has Khalil did not.

I wouldn’t consider Mandela a terrorist in his own country. Now, if Mandela had been a green card holder in the US advocating relentlessly for necklacing his political opponents (including Americans and babies) from his comfy and safe position in the US, that would be a different matter. And that’s what the Khalil situation is analogous to.