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Anonymous wrote:The weakest argument against the no labels party is that it is simply going to elect Biden or elect Trump. There is so much time left and if enough support was generated now, the country could achieve what over 70% of the people really want and vote: NONE OF THE ABOVE

Wont' happen. A third party would need to start with grassroots for things like school boards and county commissioners and grow from there. Without billionaire funding it, it cannot happen. Why would we just want another billionaire funded party?

Wrong. History tells us that successful 3rd parties are most commonly a product of well known politicians becoming disenchanted by the leadership and direction of their current party and choosing to re-align under a different party name. It takes politicians with big name recognition on the Federal level to make this happen. If there ever was a time for Barack Obama, George Bush, Al Gore, Bill Clinton, Mitt Romney to step up and have the gumption to say enough is enough.... it is now. The dominoes would fall quickly and 95% of us would quickly make the shift to identify politically under a different party name but the same political beliefs and values of currents GOPers and/or Dems would carry over to the new party; basically just hitting the reset button to replace failed leadership. 3rd parties have no chance of success if trying to start from the ground up. The two current parties have done a good job of crafting rules that make it very difficult for their power to be challenged by a 3rd entity and a successful challenge to that power will never happen first on a local or state level. Until this re-alignment happens, we'll just keep voting for Bidens and Trumps.

If Obama, Bush, Gore, Clinton, and Romney were disenchanted enough with the current primary system, got together to say "enough is enough," and nominated somebody to be president, what would that person look like?

Probably somebody who governs as a moderate, right? Somebody who deeply respects the institutions of the United States, who brings dignity and empathy to the White House, and who works to build consensus rather than seeing politics as zero-sum bloodsport.

Buddy, I have some great news for you. We have that guy already. His name is Joe Biden.

Nice try. Biden is a brain dead puppet figurehead that is being controlled by unnamed unelected handlers. It used to be Klain and now who knows. His politics and policies change whoever is pulling his strings.

I like no labels. Saves me and a lot of other people the trouble of having to write in a candidate. Democrats are just seriously perturbed right now knowing that Biden-Harris ticket is pretty weak against that crook Trump

Just so you know, this assertion is absurd and has no basis in reality.

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Anonymous wrote:The weakest argument against the no labels party is that it is simply going to elect Biden or elect Trump. There is so much time left and if enough support was generated now, the country could achieve what over 70% of the people really want and vote: NONE OF THE ABOVE

Wont' happen. A third party would need to start with grassroots for things like school boards and county commissioners and grow from there. Without billionaire funding it, it cannot happen. Why would we just want another billionaire funded party?

Wrong. History tells us that successful 3rd parties are most commonly a product of well known politicians becoming disenchanted by the leadership and direction of their current party and choosing to re-align under a different party name. It takes politicians with big name recognition on the Federal level to make this happen. If there ever was a time for Barack Obama, George Bush, Al Gore, Bill Clinton, Mitt Romney to step up and have the gumption to say enough is enough.... it is now. The dominoes would fall quickly and 95% of us would quickly make the shift to identify politically under a different party name but the same political beliefs and values of currents GOPers and/or Dems would carry over to the new party; basically just hitting the reset button to replace failed leadership. 3rd parties have no chance of success if trying to start from the ground up. The two current parties have done a good job of crafting rules that make it very difficult for their power to be challenged by a 3rd entity and a successful challenge to that power will never happen first on a local or state level. Until this re-alignment happens, we'll just keep voting for Bidens and Trumps.

If Obama, Bush, Gore, Clinton, and Romney were disenchanted enough with the current primary system, got together to say "enough is enough," and nominated somebody to be president, what would that person look like?

Probably somebody who governs as a moderate, right? Somebody who deeply respects the institutions of the United States, who brings dignity and empathy to the White House, and who works to build consensus rather than seeing politics as zero-sum bloodsport.

Buddy, I have some great news for you. We have that guy already. His name is Joe Biden.

Nice try. Biden is a brain dead puppet figurehead that is being controlled by unnamed unelected handlers. It used to be Klain and now who knows. His politics and policies change whoever is pulling his strings.

I like no labels. Saves me and a lot of other people the trouble of having to write in a candidate. Democrats are just seriously perturbed right now knowing that Biden-Harris ticket is pretty weak against that crook Trump

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Anonymous wrote:The weakest argument against the no labels party is that it is simply going to elect Biden or elect Trump. There is so much time left and if enough support was generated now, the country could achieve what over 70% of the people really want and vote: NONE OF THE ABOVE

Wont' happen. A third party would need to start with grassroots for things like school boards and county commissioners and grow from there. Without billionaire funding it, it cannot happen. Why would we just want another billionaire funded party?

Wrong. History tells us that successful 3rd parties are most commonly a product of well known politicians becoming disenchanted by the leadership and direction of their current party and choosing to re-align under a different party name. It takes politicians with big name recognition on the Federal level to make this happen. If there ever was a time for Barack Obama, George Bush, Al Gore, Bill Clinton, Mitt Romney to step up and have the gumption to say enough is enough.... it is now. The dominoes would fall quickly and 95% of us would quickly make the shift to identify politically under a different party name but the same political beliefs and values of currents GOPers and/or Dems would carry over to the new party; basically just hitting the reset button to replace failed leadership. 3rd parties have no chance of success if trying to start from the ground up. The two current parties have done a good job of crafting rules that make it very difficult for their power to be challenged by a 3rd entity and a successful challenge to that power will never happen first on a local or state level. Until this re-alignment happens, we'll just keep voting for Bidens and Trumps.

If Obama, Bush, Gore, Clinton, and Romney were disenchanted enough with the current primary system, got together to say "enough is enough," and nominated somebody to be president, what would that person look like?

Probably somebody who governs as a moderate, right? Somebody who deeply respects the institutions of the United States, who brings dignity and empathy to the White House, and who works to build consensus rather than seeing politics as zero-sum bloodsport.

Buddy, I have some great news for you. We have that guy already. His name is Joe Biden.

This, exactly. Yes, he is old. He can't help that. But he is who the country needs right now.

The GOP needs to somehow re-from without the MAGA crazies in the meantime.

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Anonymous wrote:The weakest argument against the no labels party is that it is simply going to elect Biden or elect Trump. There is so much time left and if enough support was generated now, the country could achieve what over 70% of the people really want and vote: NONE OF THE ABOVE

Wont' happen. A third party would need to start with grassroots for things like school boards and county commissioners and grow from there. Without billionaire funding it, it cannot happen. Why would we just want another billionaire funded party?

Wrong. History tells us that successful 3rd parties are most commonly a product of well known politicians becoming disenchanted by the leadership and direction of their current party and choosing to re-align under a different party name. It takes politicians with big name recognition on the Federal level to make this happen. If there ever was a time for Barack Obama, George Bush, Al Gore, Bill Clinton, Mitt Romney to step up and have the gumption to say enough is enough.... it is now. The dominoes would fall quickly and 95% of us would quickly make the shift to identify politically under a different party name but the same political beliefs and values of currents GOPers and/or Dems would carry over to the new party; basically just hitting the reset button to replace failed leadership. 3rd parties have no chance of success if trying to start from the ground up. The two current parties have done a good job of crafting rules that make it very difficult for their power to be challenged by a 3rd entity and a successful challenge to that power will never happen first on a local or state level. Until this re-alignment happens, we'll just keep voting for Bidens and Trumps.

If Obama, Bush, Gore, Clinton, and Romney were disenchanted enough with the current primary system, got together to say "enough is enough," and nominated somebody to be president, what would that person look like?

Probably somebody who governs as a moderate, right? Somebody who deeply respects the institutions of the United States, who brings dignity and empathy to the White House, and who works to build consensus rather than seeing politics as zero-sum bloodsport.

Buddy, I have some great news for you. We have that guy already. His name is Joe Biden.

Joe is indeed a decent man and a good leader. If he were currently in his 60s, we would have no reason to question whether or not he, as the incumbent, is a wise and safe bet to beat Trump choice for the Dem nomination. If he beats Trump next November, he will be well into his 80s when his second term commences. His age is a significant concern of voters and it's the primary factor in why his odds of be re-elected are 50/50. The age concern is supported by science and by the anecdotal experiences of most voting age people. The human body at 80 years old isn't able to keep up with the same mental and physical demands it could in it's 50s or 60s. Biden's age makes him a weak and vulnerable presidential candidate even against someone as awful as Trump who is just a few years younger. I respect and appreciate Biden and I'll vote for him over Trump any day but I'm not going to stubbornly deny the fact that he has a significant weakness as a candidate or the fact that weaknesses in our political parties led us to a point where a Trump vs Biden rematch is inevitable.

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Anonymous wrote:The weakest argument against the no labels party is that it is simply going to elect Biden or elect Trump. There is so much time left and if enough support was generated now, the country could achieve what over 70% of the people really want and vote: NONE OF THE ABOVE

Wont' happen. A third party would need to start with grassroots for things like school boards and county commissioners and grow from there. Without billionaire funding it, it cannot happen. Why would we just want another billionaire funded party?

Wrong. History tells us that successful 3rd parties are most commonly a product of well known politicians becoming disenchanted by the leadership and direction of their current party and choosing to re-align under a different party name. It takes politicians with big name recognition on the Federal level to make this happen. If there ever was a time for Barack Obama, George Bush, Al Gore, Bill Clinton, Mitt Romney to step up and have the gumption to say enough is enough.... it is now. The dominoes would fall quickly and 95% of us would quickly make the shift to identify politically under a different party name but the same political beliefs and values of currents GOPers and/or Dems would carry over to the new party; basically just hitting the reset button to replace failed leadership. 3rd parties have no chance of success if trying to start from the ground up. The two current parties have done a good job of crafting rules that make it very difficult for their power to be challenged by a 3rd entity and a successful challenge to that power will never happen first on a local or state level. Until this re-alignment happens, we'll just keep voting for Bidens and Trumps.

If Obama, Bush, Gore, Clinton, and Romney were disenchanted enough with the current primary system, got together to say "enough is enough," and nominated somebody to be president, what would that person look like?

Probably somebody who governs as a moderate, right? Somebody who deeply respects the institutions of the United States, who brings dignity and empathy to the White House, and who works to build consensus rather than seeing politics as zero-sum bloodsport.

Buddy, I have some great news for you. We have that guy already. His name is Joe Biden.

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Anonymous wrote:The weakest argument against the no labels party is that it is simply going to elect Biden or elect Trump. There is so much time left and if enough support was generated now, the country could achieve what over 70% of the people really want and vote: NONE OF THE ABOVE

Wont' happen. A third party would need to start with grassroots for things like school boards and county commissioners and grow from there. Without billionaire funding it, it cannot happen. Why would we just want another billionaire funded party?

Wrong. History tells us that successful 3rd parties are most commonly a product of well known politicians becoming disenchanted by the leadership and direction of their current party and choosing to re-align under a different party name. It takes politicians with big name recognition on the Federal level to make this happen. If there ever was a time for Barack Obama, George Bush, Al Gore, Bill Clinton, Mitt Romney to step up and have the gumption to say enough is enough.... it is now. The dominoes would fall quickly and 95% of us would quickly make the shift to identify politically under a different party name but the same political beliefs and values of currents GOPers and/or Dems would carry over to the new party; basically just hitting the reset button to replace failed leadership. 3rd parties have no chance of success if trying to start from the ground up. The two current parties have done a good job of crafting rules that make it very difficult for their power to be challenged by a 3rd entity and a successful challenge to that power will never happen first on a local or state level. Until this re-alignment happens, we'll just keep voting for Bidens and Trumps.

There are no successful third parties in American history. As Richard Hofstadter wrote about the populist party, third parties are like bees, they sting and then they die. The ones that have stung championed a cause that was neglected by the two major parties. They created a movement for their cause and then one of the major parties jumped in front and captured it by turning the cause into pork and patronage.

But No Labels is not a third party movement. It’s a Trump can’t get a majority so let’s help him win with a plurality movement. A legitimate third party would be going after House and Senate sears where most of the dysfunction and corruption and general cluelessness are.

How do you think our two current parties came to be? They certainly didn't exist when the country was founded. They came to be as a result of prominent leaders in the 1800s having the courage to break away and coalesce under a new party name. Dysfunctional leadership and policy disagreements are what spurred those splits to form new parties. In our two party system, with the GOP and Dem parties having set the rules to make it very difficult for a 3rd party to ever mount a challenge to their power, the only pathway for a successful launching of a new party would be for prominent national leaders in the current parties to branch off to form a new party. Both current parties have factions within that are becoming more and more divided and that division prevents government from functioning as well as it should. The need is there. There is a precedent. The unknown is if/when prominent national politicians will find the courage to say enough is enough and commit to forming a new party. No Labels has never had a candidate. They are no threat to Biden or Trump in 2024 because we are just 14 months away from election day and they have no candidate in the race and no organized platform. Looking past 2024, we would all benefit from a push for new and better leadership in the current parties or re-alignments to form new parties. With the choice being Biden or Trump in 2024, I'm on board with once again going with the lesser of two evils candidate in Biden. He's simply too old to be trusted with 4 more years of this very demanding job but I'd much rather deal with that risk than a Trump show. Looking past 2024, we will greatly benefit by some change/shift from the status quo towards stronger and better functioning political parties. Better functioning parties lead to higher quality leaders and a more effective governing body. The party weaknesses that gave us a Trump presidency and now a choice between an 82 year old man and an unhinged 78 year old man have to be acknowledged and eliminated or else a president as bad or worse than Trump will happen again in the near future.

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Anonymous wrote:The weakest argument against the no labels party is that it is simply going to elect Biden or elect Trump. There is so much time left and if enough support was generated now, the country could achieve what over 70% of the people really want and vote: NONE OF THE ABOVE

Wont' happen. A third party would need to start with grassroots for things like school boards and county commissioners and grow from there. Without billionaire funding it, it cannot happen. Why would we just want another billionaire funded party?

Wrong. History tells us that successful 3rd parties are most commonly a product of well known politicians becoming disenchanted by the leadership and direction of their current party and choosing to re-align under a different party name. It takes politicians with big name recognition on the Federal level to make this happen. If there ever was a time for Barack Obama, George Bush, Al Gore, Bill Clinton, Mitt Romney to step up and have the gumption to say enough is enough.... it is now. The dominoes would fall quickly and 95% of us would quickly make the shift to identify politically under a different party name but the same political beliefs and values of currents GOPers and/or Dems would carry over to the new party; basically just hitting the reset button to replace failed leadership. 3rd parties have no chance of success if trying to start from the ground up. The two current parties have done a good job of crafting rules that make it very difficult for their power to be challenged by a 3rd entity and a successful challenge to that power will never happen first on a local or state level. Until this re-alignment happens, we'll just keep voting for Bidens and Trumps.

There are no successful third parties in American history. As Richard Hofstadter wrote about the populist party, third parties are like bees, they sting and then they die. The ones that have stung championed a cause that was neglected by the two major parties. They created a movement for their cause and then one of the major parties jumped in front and captured it by turning the cause into pork and patronage.

But No Labels is not a third party movement. It’s a Trump can’t get a majority so let’s help him win with a plurality movement. A legitimate third party would be going after House and Senate sears where most of the dysfunction and corruption and general cluelessness are.

This, exactly.

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Anonymous wrote:The weakest argument against the no labels party is that it is simply going to elect Biden or elect Trump. There is so much time left and if enough support was generated now, the country could achieve what over 70% of the people really want and vote: NONE OF THE ABOVE

Wont' happen. A third party would need to start with grassroots for things like school boards and county commissioners and grow from there. Without billionaire funding it, it cannot happen. Why would we just want another billionaire funded party?

Wrong. History tells us that successful 3rd parties are most commonly a product of well known politicians becoming disenchanted by the leadership and direction of their current party and choosing to re-align under a different party name. It takes politicians with big name recognition on the Federal level to make this happen. If there ever was a time for Barack Obama, George Bush, Al Gore, Bill Clinton, Mitt Romney to step up and have the gumption to say enough is enough.... it is now. The dominoes would fall quickly and 95% of us would quickly make the shift to identify politically under a different party name but the same political beliefs and values of currents GOPers and/or Dems would carry over to the new party; basically just hitting the reset button to replace failed leadership. 3rd parties have no chance of success if trying to start from the ground up. The two current parties have done a good job of crafting rules that make it very difficult for their power to be challenged by a 3rd entity and a successful challenge to that power will never happen first on a local or state level. Until this re-alignment happens, we'll just keep voting for Bidens and Trumps.

There are no successful third parties in American history. As Richard Hofstadter wrote about the populist party, third parties are like bees, they sting and then they die. The ones that have stung championed a cause that was neglected by the two major parties. They created a movement for their cause and then one of the major parties jumped in front and captured it by turning the cause into pork and patronage.

But No Labels is not a third party movement. It’s a Trump can’t get a majority so let’s help him win with a plurality movement. A legitimate third party would be going after House and Senate sears where most of the dysfunction and corruption and general cluelessness are.

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Anonymous wrote:It isn’t a third party if they have only a candidate for President and no other candidates or state organizations. That’s just a spoiler campaign. There is no third party movement at all.

The one or two GOP/No Labels boosters were hoping you didn’t notice that.

Umkay. Let's see what the sentiment is a year from now when the fact that Biden isn't going to win finally becomes apparent to those living in la la land. It will be too late in the game to do anything about it and you folks who refused to see the obvious writing on the wall will be the ones to blame for a Trump victory. It's just ridiculous. Ignorance is what got Trump elected in 2016. Repeat.

Biden beat Trump in 2020. Yes he did. Trump lost. The GOP will have to try to play games in 2024 to have even a shred of hope for their truly terrible candidate. Trump is so weak, doubt that even no labels can do anything to help him much.

You missed PP’s point.

Pp thinks Biden will lose. What is hard to understand about that?

No. PP is saying that if something happens to Biden, there is no backup plan and no one is thinking about it. If, God forbid, Biden had a major stroke or died, Democrats will be SOL because they haven’t given any serious thought to that scenario. That is a huge issue.

If something happens to trump, the GOP has the same issue.

But the stupid GOP has been testing out other candidates!!!! God, the knee jerk reaction to a suggestion for the Democratic Party, but but but Trump like some adolescent trying to come up with an excuse for not doing their homework. Prepare to have someone who can beat both Trump and Biden. What is wrong with you people? This is the sort of crap that gave us Trump in the first place.

It’s not a knee jerk reaction. We have played this game before several times and lost. You hate Biden irrationally and really rather stupidly, we get it.

I posted the actual vote tallies upthread of what happens when there’s a spoiler candidate. Say it to yourself over and over again until you understand this fundamental truth: in our current system, there is no third party option. Nader, Nader, Sanders/Stein. We literally had two of the worst presidents in American history due to people like you who can’t get it through their thick skulls that you can’t just huff in, decide you don’t like either of the two options - Joseph “Cheddar Cheese” Biden and Donald “Liquid Feces You Can’t Hold In” Trump - and then proceed to try and wreck the election.

My god you third party people are beyond stupid.

+1 And you know who finally gets it?

Ralph Nader.

“We are stuck with Biden now,” Nader says in his cantankerous way. “In a two-party duopoly, if one should be defeated ferociously, the logic is that the other one prevails.”
Former president Donald Trump is, of course, the one deserving ferocious defeat in that calculation, and for the moment Nader wants everyone to know that this has become his overriding political mission.

Close friends of Nader, a group that includes committed Democrats, have noted an unmistakable shift.
“Ralph is in a different place because America is in a different place,” said Mark Green, the former Democratic New York City public advocate. “This stage is stopping a life-ending comet like the one that stopped the dinosaurs. He says this is an existential fight and he is going to marshal whatever he has to stop Trump and Trumpism.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/09/26/ralph-nader-joe-biden-election/

Took him long enough, but welcome to the party, Nader.

Anonymous wrote:When Trump is deemed ineligible to run, who will be our next boogie man/woman/child?

Trump won’t be declared ineligible, but I think that’s DeSantis’s whole reason for running this time.

When Trump is deemed ineligible to run, who will be our next boogie man/woman/child?

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Anonymous wrote:It isn’t a third party if they have only a candidate for President and no other candidates or state organizations. That’s just a spoiler campaign. There is no third party movement at all.

The one or two GOP/No Labels boosters were hoping you didn’t notice that.

Umkay. Let's see what the sentiment is a year from now when the fact that Biden isn't going to win finally becomes apparent to those living in la la land. It will be too late in the game to do anything about it and you folks who refused to see the obvious writing on the wall will be the ones to blame for a Trump victory. It's just ridiculous. Ignorance is what got Trump elected in 2016. Repeat.

Biden beat Trump in 2020. Yes he did. Trump lost. The GOP will have to try to play games in 2024 to have even a shred of hope for their truly terrible candidate. Trump is so weak, doubt that even no labels can do anything to help him much.

You missed PP’s point.

Pp thinks Biden will lose. What is hard to understand about that?

No. PP is saying that if something happens to Biden, there is no backup plan and no one is thinking about it. If, God forbid, Biden had a major stroke or died, Democrats will be SOL because they haven’t given any serious thought to that scenario. That is a huge issue.

If something happens to trump, the GOP has the same issue.

But the stupid GOP has been testing out other candidates!!!! God, the knee jerk reaction to a suggestion for the Democratic Party, but but but Trump like some adolescent trying to come up with an excuse for not doing their homework. Prepare to have someone who can beat both Trump and Biden. What is wrong with you people? This is the sort of crap that gave us Trump in the first place.

It’s not a knee jerk reaction. We have played this game before several times and lost. You hate Biden irrationally and really rather stupidly, we get it.

I posted the actual vote tallies upthread of what happens when there’s a spoiler candidate. Say it to yourself over and over again until you understand this fundamental truth: in our current system, there is no third party option. Nader, Nader, Sanders/Stein. We literally had two of the worst presidents in American history due to people like you who can’t get it through their thick skulls that you can’t just huff in, decide you don’t like either of the two options - Joseph “Cheddar Cheese” Biden and Donald “Liquid Feces You Can’t Hold In” Trump - and then proceed to try and wreck the election.

My god you third party people are beyond stupid.

+1 And you know who finally gets it?

Ralph Nader.

“We are stuck with Biden now,” Nader says in his cantankerous way. “In a two-party duopoly, if one should be defeated ferociously, the logic is that the other one prevails.”
Former president Donald Trump is, of course, the one deserving ferocious defeat in that calculation, and for the moment Nader wants everyone to know that this has become his overriding political mission.

Close friends of Nader, a group that includes committed Democrats, have noted an unmistakable shift.
“Ralph is in a different place because America is in a different place,” said Mark Green, the former Democratic New York City public advocate. “This stage is stopping a life-ending comet like the one that stopped the dinosaurs. He says this is an existential fight and he is going to marshal whatever he has to stop Trump and Trumpism.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/09/26/ralph-nader-joe-biden-election/

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Anonymous wrote:The weakest argument against the no labels party is that it is simply going to elect Biden or elect Trump. There is so much time left and if enough support was generated now, the country could achieve what over 70% of the people really want and vote: NONE OF THE ABOVE

Wont' happen. A third party would need to start with grassroots for things like school boards and county commissioners and grow from there. Without billionaire funding it, it cannot happen. Why would we just want another billionaire funded party?

Wrong. History tells us that successful 3rd parties are most commonly a product of well known politicians becoming disenchanted by the leadership and direction of their current party and choosing to re-align under a different party name. It takes politicians with big name recognition on the Federal level to make this happen. If there ever was a time for Barack Obama, George Bush, Al Gore, Bill Clinton, Mitt Romney to step up and have the gumption to say enough is enough.... it is now. The dominoes would fall quickly and 95% of us would quickly make the shift to identify politically under a different party name but the same political beliefs and values of currents GOPers and/or Dems would carry over to the new party; basically just hitting the reset button to replace failed leadership. 3rd parties have no chance of success if trying to start from the ground up. The two current parties have done a good job of crafting rules that make it very difficult for their power to be challenged by a 3rd entity and a successful challenge to that power will never happen first on a local or state level. Until this re-alignment happens, we'll just keep voting for Bidens and Trumps.

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Individuals with ties to Manchin are doubtful that he might surface as a No Labels candidate, per The Times.

Joe Manchin is not going to run for president as an independent (or “No Labels”) candidate.

No, he isn't. We're less than 14 months away from Election Day 2024. We are now officially stuck with a choice between Trump and Biden. Yay America!

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Anonymous wrote:We need an anybody but Biden or Trump party.

+1 please!

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