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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Terrible decisision. This shows us how awful Scalias death( or maybe murder) was. It doesn't really matter though. You can admit URMs with lower grades and SATs who don't deserve admission  all you want, and you can even give them top jobs. However, at the end of the day, they will be outperformed by those who are intellectually superior to them. It's sad that minorities want "equality", but then demand special prviliagrs. It actually says something pretty bad about URMs if they can't succeed without affirmative action.College admissions should be based solely on GPA, SAT, ECs, and recommendations. At least the SCOTUS got the important decision on illegal immigration right.  [/quote]

But imagine what would happen w/o AAction. There will be almost no blacks in top 200 colleges. Maybe SCOTUS thought URMs could use extra help. [/quote]

Well now we won't have to find out, racist troll.  Lol![/quote]

I doubt it will help much though. It hasn't in the past. So, nothing new here. At some point, you gotta get yourself going without mama holding your hand, bud. [/quote]

It's helped my family quite a bit--and I consider it a small step towards compensating my family for the[b] stolen labor of my ancestors.[/b]  I can guarantee you that we have a higher HHI than you, and live in a nicer neighborhood (one of the best).  Despite our excellent public schools, our children attend one of the best private schools in DC, with all the EC bells and whistles.  Oh, my children will also attend better universities than your children.  I'm also positive that AA didn't take the bar and pass it on the first try for me either.

One more thing: You cannot possibly make me feel bad about being the recipient of AA at some point or another in my life.  I would feel bad about being the recipient of unearned white privilege (you, Fisher and the rest of your ilk) who cannot even get into UT-Austin (!) WITH legacy status (you know, the type of AA action whites like you like and defend).  UT didn't even admit its first Black student until the mid-1950s.  Fisher should feel embarrassed by her sheer mediocrity...to say nothing of her Peppermint Patty looks.[/quote]

cool story sis. hope it made you feel better. i particularly loved the bolded part. it must be nice being a beneficiary of your ancestors and the US govt. what was your contribution to your success?

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Thanks, I feel great!  Hmmm...my contribution to my success:  Ivy undergrad and law school (with numerous academic honors).  Partnership at big law (after working my ass off in a less than hospitable environment) and married to a successful entrepreneur with similar academic credentials.  Any AA I have received is my due.  Please and thank you.[/quote]

Isn't if funny that people on here expect you to be ashamed?  They are not ashamed because they got into college as a legacy or because they got a job based on connections.  As I have said on this board and to my own children many times, if people are concerned about how and why you got where you are, that is their problem - not yours.  The most important thing is to take advantage of the opportunity.  Let them wonder how you got it.  [/quote]

I agree as long as that holds true for everyone.  No assumptions people aren't qualified or hit a job or promoted because of AA, and equally no assumptions that whits privilege was part of the reason.  Treat everyone equally, let their work speak for itself and don't waste time being divisive looking for another person's presumed flaws.  I'm one of the earlier posters and I don't at all think anyone should be ashamed of benefitting from AA.  [b]I just take issue with the notion of payback for what happened generations bac[/b]k.  I'm a first generation American, and like do very many Americans had no role whatsoever in slavery.  My ancestors were suffering their own atrocities at various times in other parts of the world.  It just seems unproductive to keep looking backwards, and to think that one should benefit today from atrocities that happened up their ancestors.  Sadly, when you look at the most successful slave revolt (Haiti) resulting in a substantial empowerment of former slaves, things did not turn out so well in the end looking at current day Haiti.  Not at all to say that that was the only trajectory possible at all, but it seems pretty speculative to assume that U.S. Slaves' descendants would have been better off financially under other circumstances.  [/quote]

You should just say "black people need to get over it." Do you understand that the what happened "generations back" has had a significant impact on the decedents of the people effected? Black people would get over it if it didn't have an impact. Guess what? It did, and it continues too.

Do you think its a simple coincidence that black with college education unemployment rates = white high school drop out unemployment? To take it even further: Employment success of blacks with degrees from elite colleges = whites from less selective schools. Guess those blacks need to "work harder."

Did you know that blacks/brown are still arrested and incarcerated more for similar or less severe crimes than whites? That schools with majority black and brown students generally have lower quality teachers? Teachers in general have lower overall expectations of black and brown students? That black and brown kids are suspended and disciplined in K-12 more than whites and others for similar or less offenses? They still pay higher interest rates on loans than whites and other races with similar or better credit? The evidence here is pretty large, so we can do this for a while.

Does racism have to mean a whip and white hood and burning cross in order for you to acknowledge that it exists and still negatively impacts POC-- primarily those whose ancestors are from here? If you want to remove policies such as AA that attempt to correct for historical atrocities, then would you pledge to help fight for policies that help eliminate the ones from today? Also, would you support economic policy that could help restore the loss of wealth and opportunities which were mainly made available to majority of AAs over the last 60 years?

Historical amnesia is convenient to those who it most benefits. 
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