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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]So would Trump ban immigrants from Belgium?[/quote]

If they come from Belgium, they would be political refugees escaping the Muslims who have overtaken their country.[/quote]

But there have been terrorist acts committed by Belgian citizens, so his current proposal would mean a ban on all immigrants from Belgium.

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They were Muslim Belgium citizens that were second generation immigrants. The problem lies with the second generation being radicalized as the Paris, Boston, La, Orlando, and Brussels attacks all were orchestrated by Muslim second generation immigrants that became radicalized. It could happen here in the US too just as it has happened in Europe. The parents are okay but their children become radicalized. Do your research and see for yourself the direct link. [/quote]

I agree.  So maybe the issue is they are not assimilating.  What do we (and Europe) do about that?[/quote]
One obviously easy thing is this:  don't have a president who spews hate speech, and generalizes a whole group of people and religion based on the bad actions of a few.  A lot of these people who become radicalized do so because they are marginalized in society, and/or have some mental issues.  A popular leader who incites his supporters to hatred is going to marginalize these Muslims even further.   Most of our political leaders, both GOP and Dems, realize this.  [/quote]

Nowhere the la shooter or Orlando shooter were marginalized. They had good jobs- even one worked for the state and had great benefits and colleagues threw him a baby shower. President Obama has reached out to Muslims and met in 680,000 Muslims into the US over his presidency and still it does not help. What more can we do? These killers were not marginalized. Stop using that as an excuse. [/quote]

Marginalization is a broader cultural issue -- it has to do with whether you feel enfranchised and a valued part of your society.  The fact that he had a job is evidence but not dispositive of that.  In any event, this guy with his closeted gayness and anger issues has added motivations it appears -- the thing most likely to have mattered in his case was being banned from buying guns (and having that ban enforced/monitored).

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Oh you forgot the small detail that he called 911 and pledged his support to Isis and other Islamist groups. [/quote]

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