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Anonymous wrote:So would Trump ban immigrants from Belgium?

If they come from Belgium, they would be political refugees escaping the Muslims who have overtaken their country.

But there have been terrorist acts committed by Belgian citizens, so his current proposal would mean a ban on all immigrants from Belgium.

They were Muslim Belgium citizens that were second generation immigrants. The problem lies with the second generation being radicalized as the Paris, Boston, La, Orlando, and Brussels attacks all were orchestrated by Muslim second generation immigrants that became radicalized. It could happen here in the US too just as it has happened in Europe. The parents are okay but their children become radicalized. Do your research and see for yourself the direct link.

I agree. So maybe the issue is they are not assimilating. What do we (and Europe) do about that?

One obviously easy thing is this: don't have a president who spews hate speech, and generalizes a whole group of people and religion based on the bad actions of a few. A lot of these people who become radicalized do so because they are marginalized in society, and/or have some mental issues. A popular leader who incites his supporters to hatred is going to marginalize these Muslims even further. Most of our political leaders, both GOP and Dems, realize this.

Nowhere the la shooter or Orlando shooter were marginalized. They had good jobs- even one worked for the state and had great benefits and colleagues threw him a baby shower. President Obama has reached out to Muslims and met in 680,000 Muslims into the US over his presidency and still it does not help. What more can we do? These killers were not marginalized. Stop using that as an excuse.

Marginalization is a broader cultural issue -- it has to do with whether you feel enfranchised and a valued part of your society. The fact that he had a job is evidence but not dispositive of that. In any event, this guy with his closeted gayness and anger issues has added motivations it appears -- the thing most likely to have mattered in his case was being banned from buying guns (and having that ban enforced/monitored).

Oh you forgot the small detail that he called 911 and pledged his support to Isis and other Islamist groups.

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Anonymous wrote:So would Trump ban immigrants from Belgium?

If they come from Belgium, they would be political refugees escaping the Muslims who have overtaken their country.

But there have been terrorist acts committed by Belgian citizens, so his current proposal would mean a ban on all immigrants from Belgium.

They were Muslim Belgium citizens that were second generation immigrants. The problem lies with the second generation being radicalized as the Paris, Boston, La, Orlando, and Brussels attacks all were orchestrated by Muslim second generation immigrants that became radicalized. It could happen here in the US too just as it has happened in Europe. The parents are okay but their children become radicalized. Do your research and see for yourself the direct link.

I agree. So maybe the issue is they are not assimilating. What do we (and Europe) do about that?

One obviously easy thing is this: don't have a president who spews hate speech, and generalizes a whole group of people and religion based on the bad actions of a few. A lot of these people who become radicalized do so because they are marginalized in society, and/or have some mental issues. A popular leader who incites his supporters to hatred is going to marginalize these Muslims even further. Most of our political leaders, both GOP and Dems, realize this.

Nowhere the la shooter or Orlando shooter were marginalized. They had good jobs- even one worked for the state and had great benefits and colleagues threw him a baby shower. President Obama has reached out to Muslims and met in 680,000 Muslims into the US over his presidency and still it does not help. What more can we do? These killers were not marginalized. Stop using that as an excuse.

Marginalization is a broader cultural issue -- it has to do with whether you feel enfranchised and a valued part of your society. The fact that he had a job is evidence but not dispositive of that. In any event, this guy with his closeted gayness and anger issues has added motivations it appears -- the thing most likely to have mattered in his case was being banned from buying guns (and having that ban enforced/monitored).

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Anonymous wrote:So would Trump ban immigrants from Belgium?

If they come from Belgium, they would be political refugees escaping the Muslims who have overtaken their country.

But there have been terrorist acts committed by Belgian citizens, so his current proposal would mean a ban on all immigrants from Belgium.

They were Muslim Belgium citizens that were second generation immigrants. The problem lies with the second generation being radicalized as the Paris, Boston, La, Orlando, and Brussels attacks all were orchestrated by Muslim second generation immigrants that became radicalized. It could happen here in the US too just as it has happened in Europe. The parents are okay but their children become radicalized. Do your research and see for yourself the direct link.

I agree. So maybe the issue is they are not assimilating. What do we (and Europe) do about that?

One obviously easy thing is this: don't have a president who spews hate speech, and generalizes a whole group of people and religion based on the bad actions of a few. A lot of these people who become radicalized do so because they are marginalized in society, and/or have some mental issues. A popular leader who incites his supporters to hatred is going to marginalize these Muslims even further. Most of our political leaders, both GOP and Dems, realize this.

Nowhere the la shooter or Orlando shooter were marginalized. They had good jobs- even one worked for the state and had great benefits and colleagues threw him a baby shower. President Obama has reached out to Muslims and met in 680,000 Muslims into the US over his presidency and still it does not help. What more can we do? These killers were not marginalized. Stop using that as an excuse.

Meant they were NOT marginalized - neither were Boston bombers. Thy also were accepted into community and had many friends.

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Anonymous wrote:So would Trump ban immigrants from Belgium?

If they come from Belgium, they would be political refugees escaping the Muslims who have overtaken their country.

But there have been terrorist acts committed by Belgian citizens, so his current proposal would mean a ban on all immigrants from Belgium.

They were Muslim Belgium citizens that were second generation immigrants. The problem lies with the second generation being radicalized as the Paris, Boston, La, Orlando, and Brussels attacks all were orchestrated by Muslim second generation immigrants that became radicalized. It could happen here in the US too just as it has happened in Europe. The parents are okay but their children become radicalized. Do your research and see for yourself the direct link.

I agree. So maybe the issue is they are not assimilating. What do we (and Europe) do about that?

One obviously easy thing is this: don't have a president who spews hate speech, and generalizes a whole group of people and religion based on the bad actions of a few. A lot of these people who become radicalized do so because they are marginalized in society, and/or have some mental issues. A popular leader who incites his supporters to hatred is going to marginalize these Muslims even further. Most of our political leaders, both GOP and Dems, realize this.

Nowhere the la shooter or Orlando shooter were marginalized. They had good jobs- even one worked for the state and had great benefits and colleagues threw him a baby shower. President Obama has reached out to Muslims and met in 680,000 Muslims into the US over his presidency and still it does not help. What more can we do? These killers were not marginalized. Stop using that as an excuse.

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Anonymous wrote:So would Trump ban immigrants from Belgium?

If they come from Belgium, they would be political refugees escaping the Muslims who have overtaken their country.

But there have been terrorist acts committed by Belgian citizens, so his current proposal would mean a ban on all immigrants from Belgium.

They were Muslim Belgium citizens that were second generation immigrants. The problem lies with the second generation being radicalized as the Paris, Boston, La, Orlando, and Brussels attacks all were orchestrated by Muslim second generation immigrants that became radicalized. It could happen here in the US too just as it has happened in Europe. The parents are okay but their children become radicalized. Do your research and see for yourself the direct link.

I agree. So maybe the issue is they are not assimilating. What do we (and Europe) do about that?

One obviously easy thing is this: don't have a president who spews hate speech, and generalizes a whole group of people and religion based on the bad actions of a few. A lot of these people who become radicalized do so because they are marginalized in society, and/or have some mental issues. A popular leader who incites his supporters to hatred is going to marginalize these Muslims even further. Most of our political leaders, both GOP and Dems, realize this.

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Anonymous wrote:My husband is from a country that would be identified as Muslim country. He is not a practicing Muslim - hasn't been to a Mosque since he was a small child. His passport from his home country identifies him as Muslim.

My question for you Trumpers is -- is my husband Muslim enough for the immigration ban? Is country of birth and religion of record from that county enough to forbid his entry under the new world order?

Donald Trump wants to solve a serious problem. It's not about whether he is a Muslim or not but rather the area/region that has history of terrorism. Unfortunately many of these areas are in Muslim countries. Which country/area is your husband from? If your husband comes from Japan, it won't apply. If he is from Pakistan, Afghanistan, the Belgium neighborhood that the terrorists lived, etc, he should be banned. The problem is we don't have an effective way to screen. FBI director said it himself. Until the screening process is significantly enhanced, this temporary ban will be in place.

You are not paying attention. On Dec 7th, 2015 Trump's press release said "Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on."

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/donald-j.-trump-statement-on-preventing-muslim-immigration

On May 11th he changed his statement to "We have a serious problem, and it's a temporary ban -- it hasn't been called for yet, nobody's done it, this is just a suggestion until we find out what's going on,"

Then on June 13th he said "When I am elected, I will suspend immigration from areas of the world when there is a proven history of terrorism against the United States, Europe or our allies, until we understand how to end these threats."

Donald Trump is not trying to solve any problem. he is trying to be elected POTUS by festering hate and fear. He has changed his stance three times over last 6 months, since he does not understand the problem or how to solve it. Pakistan, Afghanistan and the Belgium neighborhood are not the only areas where terrorists originated from. There have been many terrorist who grew up in UK, France & Germany. Are you saying we will stop all immigration from those "areas of the world"?

They were Muslim Belgium citizens

Trump said immigration from countries known to have terrorists. Does Belgium fall in that category?

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Anonymous wrote:So would Trump ban immigrants from Belgium?

If they come from Belgium, they would be political refugees escaping the Muslims who have overtaken their country.

But there have been terrorist acts committed by Belgian citizens, so his current proposal would mean a ban on all immigrants from Belgium.

They were Muslim Belgium citizens that were second generation immigrants. The problem lies with the second generation being radicalized as the Paris, Boston, La, Orlando, and Brussels attacks all were orchestrated by Muslim second generation immigrants that became radicalized. It could happen here in the US too just as it has happened in Europe. The parents are okay but their children become radicalized. Do your research and see for yourself the direct link.

I agree. So maybe the issue is they are not assimilating. What do we (and Europe) do about that?

Maybe not allow them to immigrate if they believe in sharia law, against equal rights for women, etc... Maybe they should immigrate to a country that shares their beiefs?

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Anonymous wrote:So would Trump ban immigrants from Belgium?

If they come from Belgium, they would be political refugees escaping the Muslims who have overtaken their country.

But there have been terrorist acts committed by Belgian citizens, so his current proposal would mean a ban on all immigrants from Belgium.

They were Muslim Belgium citizens that were second generation immigrants. The problem lies with the second generation being radicalized as the Paris, Boston, La, Orlando, and Brussels attacks all were orchestrated by Muslim second generation immigrants that became radicalized. It could happen here in the US too just as it has happened in Europe. The parents are okay but their children become radicalized. Do your research and see for yourself the direct link.

I agree. So maybe the issue is they are not assimilating. What do we (and Europe) do about that?

Anonymous wrote:My husband is from a country that would be identified as Muslim country. He is not a practicing Muslim - hasn't been to a Mosque since he was a small child. His passport from his home country identifies him as Muslim.

My question for you Trumpers is -- is my husband Muslim enough for the immigration ban? Is country of birth and religion of record from that county enough to forbid his entry under the new world order?

Donald Trump wants to solve a serious problem. It's not about whether he is a Muslim or not but rather the area/region that has history of terrorism. Unfortunately many of these areas are in Muslim countries. Which country/area is your husband from? If your husband comes from Japan, it won't apply. If he is from Pakistan, Afghanistan, the Belgium neighborhood that the terrorists lived, etc, he should be banned. The problem is we don't have an effective way to screen. FBI director said it himself. Until the screening process is significantly enhanced, this temporary ban will be in place.

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Anonymous wrote:So would Trump ban immigrants from Belgium?

If they come from Belgium, they would be political refugees escaping the Muslims who have overtaken their country.

But there have been terrorist acts committed by Belgian citizens, so his current proposal would mean a ban on all immigrants from Belgium.

They were Muslim Belgium citizens that were second generation immigrants. The problem lies with the second generation being radicalized as the Paris, Boston, La, Orlando, and Brussels attacks all were orchestrated by Muslim second generation immigrants that became radicalized. It could happen here in the US too just as it has happened in Europe. The parents are okay but their children become radicalized. Do your research and see for yourself the direct link.

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Anonymous wrote:So would Trump ban immigrants from Belgium?

If they come from Belgium, they would be political refugees escaping the Muslims who have overtaken their country.

But there have been terrorist acts committed by Belgian citizens, so his current proposal would mean a ban on all immigrants from Belgium.

Anonymous wrote:My husband is from a country that would be identified as Muslim country. He is not a practicing Muslim - hasn't been to a Mosque since he was a small child. His passport from his home country identifies him as Muslim.

My question for you Trumpers is -- is my husband Muslim enough for the immigration ban? Is country of birth and religion of record from that county enough to forbid his entry under the new world order?

I would ban him.

Anonymous wrote:So would Trump ban immigrants from Belgium?

If they come from Belgium, they would be political refugees escaping the Muslims who have overtaken their country.

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Anonymous wrote:It would be unconstitutional. In spirit if not in law but I think both. Our country's premise of freedom of religion is a cornerstone of our culture.

I am not in favor of banning Muslims, but how would it be unconstitutional? Constitutional protections only apply to US citizens, not every person on earth who thinks of coming to the US. Do people really not understand this?

Apparently not!