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[quote=warrenox][quote=Anonymous][quote=warrenox][quote=Anonymous][quote=warrenox][quote=Anonymous]Listen, I think it's all very pie in the sky to say that immersion benefits at risk kids.  At Tyler, they kick kids out of immersion if they're too unruly (or SpEd) because they don't want to scare/alienate the upper middle class white families.  As MULTIPLE pps have said, in actuality, dual immersion programs ADD to segregation, they don't decrease it.  At Tyler, white parents still woudn't be caught dead with their kids in the 'traditional' program. [/quote]

Have these MULTIPLE people provided any statistics to support those claims?  Everyone can have an opinion, but not everyone has a informed opinion.

Are the "traditional" programs working?  Do you have dead white parents that can testify to this or is this all hyperbole?

Playing the race card isn't going to help any of the students; finding solutions together is the best option.

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Stats? There are 0 white kids in Tyler traditional programs above the 4 year old class. ZERO.  [/quote]

http://www.greatschools.org/washington-dc/washington/56-Tyler-Elementary-School/quality/#Dig_deeper

Those statistics there probably shows you the answer on how well the "traditional" program is working.  What parent isn't concerned by those ratings?

I bet there are many black kids that are in the lottery system trying to move from Tyler as well, but that isn't your focus is it?

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You are completely missing my point. Maybe you have me confused with another PP. Maybe you have me confused for a white person. I am not, for what it's worth.  My point is that adding immersion doesn't desegregate a school - that's why I mentioned that there aren't white kids in Tyler Traditional.  Of COURSE I am concerned about ALL the kids at Tyler - my own black kids (who I am pulling out of Tyler) included.  My argument is that adding the immersion program didn't help 99% of them.  It's a terrible, awful place. [/quote]

Maybe we are talking past one another.  Immersion programs are not going to get inbound students into traditional programs at those schools, I agree.  If those programs are failing now, why would we fault anyone for not wanting to be a part of those programs?  An immersion program can desegregate a school in the sense that parents, even non-Capital Hill parents (i.e. Northwest) will most likely be applying to get their child into spots for immersion programs, particularly ones where there aren't many other choices.  This will change the demographics of a school to where it's not predominately one race, which is better for all students.

Immersion programs don't change a school overnight.  It takes getting those students who started these programs at an early age to get to the 5th grade before you will see the 5th grade scores at that school change.

I totally understand your frustration with Tyler and hope you find a better school that fits you and your family.  It's frustrating when it's not your local inbound school.  My child will be inbound to Miner and I truly hope that something can change at that school before I have to make the difficult choice of getting into the lottery and taking my chances there.[/quote]

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