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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]You are disgusting.  If you knew anything about what happens when a parent commits suicide, you would know that what is most damaging to the child is living without the parent, and knowing that the parent committed suicide.  This increases the chances of the child committing suicide, as they feel as though their parent has sort of made it "acceptable".  Yet, when you advocate that suicidal people who cry for help are making "threats" and are "selfish" and should be served with restraining orders, you take away the only thing left that can keep them alive, which is the support of others.  They have exhausted every tool in their belt.  And you want them to just suck it up.  That is a recipe for suicide.  Your ignorance, your callousness, your righteous judgment against people in unimaginable pain just contributes to more pain.[/quote]

For whatever its worth, I actually agree with a fair amount of what you are saying (or trying to say), but your moral indignation, name calling, and poor word choice makes me extremely reluctant to wade in on your side of this.[/quote]

Totally agree. If the above PP is the same ranting one from upthread, and the same person who calls a child encountering a dead parent "unfortunate," their credibility is shot.
You can call it whatever you want PP. A threat is just a threat - it's either followed through on or not. For those that follow up on their threats, that's unfortunate to use your own wording. For those that don't, that's abuse. The problem is that no one knows, do they? Not knowing what the outcome is doesn't make it NOT a threat. It's still a threat. 
And yes, it's selfish to commit suicide. No one is advocating that suicidal people just suck it up. You're twisting words because you're so worked up. No one said, "I think it's best if they don't get help, that they wallow in their pain and just end it all." What some people have said is that it's really horribly traumatizing to find someone who has committed suicide or to be collateral damage in their pain. Why is that so hard for you to understand?

Since you seem to like to post articles, what about this one?
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2009-11-15/news/0911140551_1_suicide-water-fight-man
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I take something very different from that article.  I was touched by the couple the man assisted just before he killed himself, who questioned whether they should have talked to him instead of just thanking him.  And the friend who wished he had been contacted.

Yes, watching someone fall to their death is unpleasant.  Hating your life so much that you jump is much more so.  This expectation that the suicidal should be very polite in cleaning up after themselves is astounding.  There are only so many ways to do it.  The "neatest" one would be pills, but it rarely works.  I suppose the second "neatest" would be carbon monoxide poisoning.  But the resentment people on this thread have voiced against those who leave a mess behind after killing themselves is just incredible.

How many people witnessed people from the [b]World Trade Center[/b] jump to the deaths?  Should they be angry that they had to see that?  I'm sure it was traumatizing for them.  Perhaps those in the World Trade Center should have forced themselves to withstand the unbearable heat in order to spare those below having to see them fall.  View the trajectory.[/quote]

a) red herring argument;
b) find a person who witnessed these people falling and ask them if it was "unpleasant."[/quote]

I guess a red herring argument is one for which you do not have a response.  Those that jumped from the World Trade Center did so because they were so hot, and so afraid, that jumping to their deaths seemed better than having to endure another moment of it.  Those were suicides.  Messy ones. But you don't call them names.

Those that jump to their deaths always do so because they are in so much pain that jumping off a bridge or shooting themselves seems like a better alternative.  The pain may be emotional, but it's just as intense.

Sorry about the mess.[/quote]

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