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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]A lot of posters on this thread are clearly bigoted --  against Catholics. First of all they can't see a difference between their perception of the Church's beliefs, and the Church's actual beliefs. Then there is a difference between that huge misperception  and what a specific individual who happens to be Catholic's believes.  Their  logic is not nuanced enough to comprehend this. The funny thing about it all is they think they are progressive thinkers but in fact  are guilty of the ignorance they claim to see in others.

Jerks. [/quote]

I'm a Catholic, and I think you are right about 10% of the time.  There are one or two anti-Catholics.  But by and large, I find the Catholic defenders on this site to be highly defensive and surprisingly unaware of the counter-arguments to Church teaching.

The above poster is a good example.  Poster claims that a major problem with progressives is they don't really understand church doctrine.  But I have yet to hear an example of a misunderstood doctrine, which when explained is somehow agreeable to the group as a whole.  For example, homosexuality is not a sin, just homosexual acts.  Yet it calls homosexuality and "objective disorder".

OK so the Church has now put homosexuals in the categories of pedophiles.  If they act on their impulses they have sinned.  If they do not, they are just mentally ill.

Having said that, the Catholic will reaffirm the dignity of all of God's Children.  OK so now a celibate homosexual is a person with a mental illness who has dignity in the eyes of God.  Not surprisingly, this sounds like a hollow form of pity which is not actually backed up by the actions of the Church, as we have seen with homosexual priests, who are by and large celibate and therefore just as pure in God's eyes.  But very, very few priests would dare say they are homosexuals, even though there is absolutely nothing wrong with being homosexual.

At this point the discussion usually turns to God's law not being subject to a vote, immutable this and that, creation as integral to expressions of genital love, and the Church is not a Democracy.  Which is like your Dad screaming "because I said so".  When we say that this is not satisfactory, they will then pull out encyclicals as though they are proof because it was always proof enough to them.

But then the progressive will dissect the encyclical which invariably rests upon a claim of moral authority on interpreting God's Law and a foundation of Natural Law which includes assumptions about the natural world which are often contradicted by modern science.  So for example we find scientific contradictions in the claim that the sole purpose of sex is for procreation, and suddenly the entire debate falls apart because no one has ever caused them to read and carefully defend the documents that they cite.

At this point the debate will grind to a halt and there will be name calling.

Seriously, I know.  I'm Catholic and it embarrasses me to see other Catholics do this.  Many Catholics think they are educated because they know so much [u]detail[/u] about Church teaching.  They confuse that with the critical faculties necessary to defend it.  [/quote]

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