Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A church stops being a church when it becomes a hospital or a school. At that point, it is a public accommodation and it must abide by federal law.

If Catholics can't bear to stop discriminating against women and gays, they should stop running businesses that cater to and hire women and gays.

Watch out, the church just may stop much of this charitable work. The school, and hospitals. These are not money makers for the church, They are, though, often the only, or the only affordable, quality option for people in poor neighborhoods. Did you know that the majority of children who attend Catholic schools in urban areas are not Catholic? They get what their parents believe if a better education than they could get elsewhere, and it is highly subsidized by the church. Go tell those parents you want to have the church shut down the schools because the religion prohibits female priests.

Much if the church's charitable work is funded by the government. That money will get spent somewhere, whether of not the Catholic Church manages the programs.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are people always so upset that women can't become priest but don't care that men can't become nuns?

Because men can become nuns. A male nun is called a monk.

I did not realize they have the same role.

Anonymous wrote:Why are people always so upset that women can't become priest but don't care that men can't become nuns?

Because men can become nuns. A male nun is called a monk.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A church stops being a church when it becomes a hospital or a school. At that point, it is a public accommodation and it must abide by federal law.

If Catholics can't bear to stop discriminating against women and gays, they should stop running businesses that cater to and hire women and gays.

Watch out, the church just may stop much of this charitable work. The school, and hospitals. These are not money makers for the church, They are, though, often the only, or the only affordable, quality option for people in poor neighborhoods. Did you know that the majority of children who attend Catholic schools in urban areas are not Catholic? They get what their parents believe if a better education than they could get elsewhere, and it is highly subsidized by the church. Go tell those parents you want to have the church shut down the schools because the religion prohibits female priests.

Actually, Catholics are leaving the church in droves for a variety of reasons. As a Catholic woman, I can tell you now that I won't send my DCs to catholic schools because I disagree with their misinformation on birth control and gay rights. I agree with the PP who said "a church stops being a church when it becomes a hospital or a school. At that point, it is a public accommodation and it must abide by federal law." Yes, sometimes the closest available emergency room is at GU or Providence hospital. A woman in critical need at either hospital should have access to every medical procedure possible and a gay couple must be afforded the same rights as a straight couple. Frankly, GU seems like a profitmaking entity to me, particularly after its MedStar acquisition.

Why are people always so upset that women can't become priest but don't care that men can't become nuns?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A church stops being a church when it becomes a hospital or a school. At that point, it is a public accommodation and it must abide by federal law.

If Catholics can't bear to stop discriminating against women and gays, they should stop running businesses that cater to and hire women and gays.

Watch out, the church just may stop much of this charitable work. The school, and hospitals. These are not money makers for the church, They are, though, often the only, or the only affordable, quality option for people in poor neighborhoods. Did you know that the majority of children who attend Catholic schools in urban areas are not Catholic? They get what their parents believe if a better education than they could get elsewhere, and it is highly subsidized by the church. Go tell those parents you want to have the church shut down the schools because the religion prohibits female priests.

Hospitals don't close unless they are unneeded. They get sold to other hospital chains.

The "too big to fail" argument does not work here.

Anonymous wrote:A church stops being a church when it becomes a hospital or a school. At that point, it is a public accommodation and it must abide by federal law.

If Catholics can't bear to stop discriminating against women and gays, they should stop running businesses that cater to and hire women and gays.

Watch out, the church just may stop much of this charitable work. The school, and hospitals. These are not money makers for the church, They are, though, often the only, or the only affordable, quality option for people in poor neighborhoods. Did you know that the majority of children who attend Catholic schools in urban areas are not Catholic? They get what their parents believe if a better education than they could get elsewhere, and it is highly subsidized by the church. Go tell those parents you want to have the church shut down the schools because the religion prohibits female priests.

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Anonymous wrote:When you try to influence government policy based on your religious beliefs, you are overstepping.

I see no reason why my civil rights should be infringed just to mollify you.

Agreed. But why should someone's rights to practice their religion the way they see fit be infringed to mollify you?

On the religious practice question, I'm curious: Why is it okay for the government to dismiss the marriages performed by churches & religions that celebrate gay marriages? How is that not an infringement on the right to practice religion? Sounds like the very definition of government picking one religious dogma over another.

Anonymous wrote:A lot of posters on this thread are clearly bigoted -- against Catholics. First of all they can't see a difference between their perception of the Church's beliefs, and the Church's actual beliefs. Then there is a difference between that huge misperception and what a specific individual who happens to be Catholic's believes. Their logic is not nuanced enough to comprehend this. The funny thing about it all is they think they are progressive thinkers but in fact are guilty of the ignorance they claim to see in others.

Jerks.

I'm a Catholic, and I think you are right about 10% of the time. There are one or two anti-Catholics. But by and large, I find the Catholic defenders on this site to be highly defensive and surprisingly unaware of the counter-arguments to Church teaching.

The above poster is a good example. Poster claims that a major problem with progressives is they don't really understand church doctrine. But I have yet to hear an example of a misunderstood doctrine, which when explained is somehow agreeable to the group as a whole. For example, homosexuality is not a sin, just homosexual acts. Yet it calls homosexuality and "objective disorder".

OK so the Church has now put homosexuals in the categories of pedophiles. If they act on their impulses they have sinned. If they do not, they are just mentally ill.

Having said that, the Catholic will reaffirm the dignity of all of God's Children. OK so now a celibate homosexual is a person with a mental illness who has dignity in the eyes of God. Not surprisingly, this sounds like a hollow form of pity which is not actually backed up by the actions of the Church, as we have seen with homosexual priests, who are by and large celibate and therefore just as pure in God's eyes. But very, very few priests would dare say they are homosexuals, even though there is absolutely nothing wrong with being homosexual.

At this point the discussion usually turns to God's law not being subject to a vote, immutable this and that, creation as integral to expressions of genital love, and the Church is not a Democracy. Which is like your Dad screaming "because I said so". When we say that this is not satisfactory, they will then pull out encyclicals as though they are proof because it was always proof enough to them.

But then the progressive will dissect the encyclical which invariably rests upon a claim of moral authority on interpreting God's Law and a foundation of Natural Law which includes assumptions about the natural world which are often contradicted by modern science. So for example we find scientific contradictions in the claim that the sole purpose of sex is for procreation, and suddenly the entire debate falls apart because no one has ever caused them to read and carefully defend the documents that they cite.

At this point the debate will grind to a halt and there will be name calling.

Seriously, I know. I'm Catholic and it embarrasses me to see other Catholics do this. Many Catholics think they are educated because they know so much detail about Church teaching. They confuse that with the critical faculties necessary to defend it.

A lot of posters on this thread are clearly bigoted -- against Catholics. First of all they can't see a difference between their perception of the Church's beliefs, and the Church's actual beliefs. Then there is a difference between that huge misperception and what a specific individual who happens to be Catholic's believes. Their logic is not nuanced enough to comprehend this. The funny thing about it all is they think they are progressive thinkers but in fact are guilty of the ignorance they claim to see in others.

Jerks.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

OK, Pope will not judge gays, but women priests are a definite no.
Does that mean that he judges women priests?

Not sure he addressed the priest thing with the gays.

Yes he did
And the answer is NO women priests. You need a penis for that job. A catholic penis that can be used for just peeing standing up, nothing else

Ask the closeted priest if all he does is pee while standing up.

Thanks for reminding me why I usually stay away from the Political Forum. Was this supposed to be a sophisticated joke or something? It's morons like you that make me sorry I stopped by here.

Anonymous wrote:A church stops being a church when it becomes a hospital or a school. At that point, it is a public accommodation and it must abide by federal law.

If Catholics can't bear to stop discriminating against women and gays, they should stop running businesses that cater to and hire women and gays.

Are people forced to go to Catholic hospitals and schools? Or is it a choice?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

OK, Pope will not judge gays, but women priests are a definite no.
Does that mean that he judges women priests?

Not sure he addressed the priest thing with the gays.

Yes he did
And the answer is NO women priests. You need a penis for that job. A catholic penis that can be used for just peeing standing up, nothing else

Ask the closeted priest if all he does is pee while standing up.

Anonymous wrote:I think it is a matter of condemning the act--not the person. There is a difference.

no

no, there is no difference

But since you brought it up, then allow me to condemn your hetero sex acts while not condemning you.


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A church stops being a church when it becomes a hospital or a school. At that point, it is a public accommodation and it must abide by federal law.

If Catholics can't bear to stop discriminating against women and gays, they should stop running businesses that cater to and hire women and gays.