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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Geez pp, get a life. Sadly I know a bunch of families who have suffered tragic losses. And I couldn't imagine being able to carry on like some of them have. But the religious ones really seem to pick up the pieces. And they aren't merely stoic....they publicly acknowledge[b] their kids are in a better place, etc[/b]. Someone without faith can't do that. Scientific? No. But I've seen it, so I'm commenting on it here.[/quote]

Not the PP you're replying to, but I don't believe in the 'better place'. I think those kids are just dead.[/quote]

So there are no consequences to the perpetrators of child massacres?  There is no hope of eternal justice?[/quote]

Nope. Not if they dead. There is no eternal justice.

The only justice is what we create on earth. [/quote]

So imagine there is a very smart and charismatic man, and he decides that he wants to elevate the human race to a new level.  This requires annihilating humans who do not meet his standards.  So he gathers like-minded people around him and begins to systematically eliminate those he deems unfit to live, as well as anyone who stands in his way.

Let's say that he succeeds.  The day comes that only his favorite human beings remain.  Everyone else was killed--usually slowly, agonizingly, women and children, wives in front of husbands, children in front of parents.  Along the way, he performed medical experiments on them and used their slave labor to live like a king.

Under your worldview, he did not "get away with" anything.  He just lived his human life as he saw fit.  Sure, that resulted in the suffering of millions, tens of millions, hundreds of millions, even billions of other people.  But there is no right and wrong about it.  Because there is only this life, here, on earth.

Perhaps it is very important for you to believe there is no eternal justice, because it is not something you want to face.  The problem with your belief is that there is no justice at all, anywhere.

Say that the shooter had lived, had been arrested, had been brought to court.  So what?  There is nothing he could ever experience to come close to justice for his crimes.  Ever.

There is no justice in this world.  There are not even crude approximations.  There is only injustice, everywhere, all around us.

Without eternity, without eternal justice, there is nothing at all.  Just dust to dust.  Sandy Hook's massacre had the same significance as a sandstorm.

And if Hitler had been successful, he would have been a very effective human being, who actualized his will while the atoms assembled into his body had their moment.  And that's it.

In fact, under your worldview, the MORE violence and death, the better for all concerned!  Don't want people left behind to mourn?  Kill the whole family, the whole town, the whole country, all of humanity.  So what?  It's ultimately the same as stepping on ants.  And at least the mass murderer enjoys himself before his inconsequential candle goes out.

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