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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]The new (for now) paradigm will see more scholarships allowed but that doesn't mean schools will fund them, many won't. Roster spots will be lowered by rule which means cuts for kids already in school, tough times for now HS kids trying to run in college, and walking on will be very difficult.

Its very difficult to get money as a track athlete unless you are really an elite. And its even tougher for males.

Try d3 is my advice unless you're among the top 10 in your event in HS. If you can show during your 11th grade year that you are a viable scorer for a major conference coach, then you have a chance. If you don't hit the elite times until 12th grade, its too late, you'll have to scramble, find someone to take you for a year and hit the transfer portal if you continue to improve.[/quote]

Just checked this thread again, so much more good info, thanks all!

What do you mean by top 10? State or nationally? I checked out run recruit and dc’s sophomore times line up with many schools, lots of d1 as well as d3. It looks like there are less competitive d1 from what I can see. Does that make sense?

I helped dc fill out a number of recruiter questionnaires to schools that seemed like could be a good fit. We left out the schools that seemed to be a reach academically. Dcs a decent student but not remotely close to being a top student.

Does that seem like a game plan?

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Yes, OP, I think you are in great shape.

One other thing I wanted to add: Do what you need to do to keep your kid healthy, mentally and physically. My kid was promising, but could not quite stay healthy enough to keep up her rate of improvement and ultimately turned down offers to run in college. Weight workouts, taking true days off, enjoying the breaks between seasons, eating well, positive role models, etc., etc.

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If you want scholarship money at a P4 school, as a mid distance or distance guy,  it pays to be within or  near the top 10.  If you can run XC, and college XC is impossibly difficult over 10k and hills, you may not need to be quite as fast as truly good XC runners are valuable. Bear in mind a 9:10-9:15 two miler is likely not walking on at Stanford. This time wins many years in the states of Va or MD.  Ypu have to go considerably under 9 minutes, and that is to walk-on.  The days are gone when John McDonnell at Arkansas would take walk-ons if they showed desire and turn them into All Americans, even 9:30 high school two milers..  Roster spots too valuable with Title IX and budgets.  Foreign ready made athletes are preferred. They dominate the NCAA today.   Bear in mind that they almost invariably require full scholarships just to get her so it is tough for American kids to compete.  I was ranked 2nd or 3rd in the nation in the late 70's from high school and it was a different world.  Not a lot of scholarship money, but there was ample choice for me.  Remember very few track programs give out 12.6 scholarships on the men's side, and if you are a mid or middle distance runner, there may be 2/3 scholarships collectively. Sprinters and jumpers can score a lot more points in the conference, especially with the two relays in big meets.   Just a tough world out there.  Not dismissing walking on as some become great and you don't have the hammer of a scholarship over your head,  but the challenge with walking on iat P4 programs s whether the coach will truly give you time and opportunity in an era where immediate success is demanded. Given my age there are fewer coaches out there I know. Villanova and UVa will still develop runners effectively, on both the men's and women's sides.  NC State on the women's side is great and I think Coach Henes is very good, but their recruiting profile is top 10 in the country and they really attract women in the portal.The gold standard is Northern Arizona for distance runners but an odd place for kids out east to go to school. The reigning XC champion Oklahoma State first 5 are all east Africans and very good.. You are talking guys who can run 13:10 for 5k (4:13 a mile) so it is difficult for any high schooler to comprehend.    It is a sport with declining resources, particularly on the men's side. As I state above, D3 makes sense because it is very likely the coach is in the development business.  Don't want to appear negative.  I have friends who were Olympians and ran a 9:20 two mile in high school (my 9th grade time).   With work walk-ons can become very good.  Just harder to land in the right place today. [/quote]

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