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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I can't imagine how people are so afraid of a statue.[/quote]

There is no reason to celebrate humans who owned other humans.

This shouldn't be a hard concept to understand.[/quote]

There is no reason for you to understand that life in the eighteenth century was fairly brutal and harsh for everyone, be they the 12 year old cabin boy plucked from the whorehouse in London, or the planter dying of syphilis, or his Irish servants also dying of syphilis, or his African slaves. Your complete blindness to any facts, your willingness to erase history doesn't help those dead slaves, or make their descendants' lives better. It's a hollow gesture, performed by someone who is undoubtedly proud their own ancestors weren't there... But also too lazy to check on what their own ancestors were up to. I guarantee, even without knowing you, there was some non consensual stuff going on in your family tree as well.

By dehumanizing slave owners, you're erasing slavery. No one is saying chattal slavery wasn't awful, but in the 18th, in a place like Philadelphia, it was only one of several unjust labor systems, all designed to function in a pre-industrial world with varying regards for the welfare of the people involved. [/quote]

Moreover, Penn led efforts to improve conditions for all workers and ultimately his reforms inspired the Constitution. His state was very much a leader in abolishing slavery and establishing a more just society.

Do you really believe that all white people enjoyed a happy go lucky life way back then? Like the pp explains, the vast majority of people suffered. [/quote]

DP Sure sure. But why is Penn being on top of city hall in the center of town not enough? Moreover, the state is named after him and his former estate is a museum. He's still represented, no need to turn him into some great untouchable hero. Very few people are.

And when did you even start to have such devotion to a little statue in a nondescript plaza anyway? It's hilarious to hear people who couldn't care 2 figs about public sculpture/art and history, who probably never even heard of William Penn before, definitely didn't know about this statue, and are now suddenly all verklempt because of a small change being proposed. Change happens. Otherwise you live in mausoleum.

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