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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]The lottery brought in a lot of undeserving kids into the middle school magnet programs at the expense of kids who were at the 99th percentile in MAP.  [b]Kids who would have presumably also done very well in COGAT. [/b] The lottery has diluted the quality of the magnet under the guise of diversity.  Bring COGAT or some other objective testing method back.[/quote]

Not necessarily. MAP tests content knowledge, not intelligence.[/quote]

Same with CogAT. Very easy to prep for like SATs.[/quote]

Who in their right mind preps for COGAT? We didn't even know what it is.[/quote]

All I know is a third of TJ's class a few years back came from one single prep center and in years past, there were several well-known tutors locally for CogAT. I think the going rate was $150/hour. I know just taking a few practice tests helped my child improve their score by over 20%.[/quote]

I looked, but couldn't find that news article?  If you're not lying, please provide the link.[/quote]

Curie took an ad out in the paper listing the names of their students who were accepted a few years ago. It was around 30% of the entering class. This has been well covered. [/quote]

I remember a werbsite from a few years ago that listed the names of the students they got over the hurdle. It was a big selling point. Dr. somebody?[/quote]

This discussion seems pretty whacky, because ...

TJ did not use CogAT - they had their own test.

Also, any process that includes CogAT is way better than a process that does not. Why? It is an aptitude test, that even if you prep for it, the improvement is at the margins. It is unlike tests like SAT that measure achievement, and can be prepped for. Years ago there was a controversy when SAT was advertised as an aptitude test, but after it was shown that it can be prepped for college board dropped that claim. You can look up yourself, but here is a sample page that talks about the history of SAT: [url]https://blog.prepscholar.com/what-does-sat-stand-for[/url]

If you claim that CogAT can be prepped for and the effect is not just marginal, please provide a link to a study. I am sure there has been research into the topic of measuring innate ability.
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Great!  So MCPS can just offer SAT prep classes to all kids and they can all score 1500+!  Oh, wait, they already do - it's called SCHOOL.

MCPS CO claims it's all unfair and it's just a money thing, tries to shove kids that are less qualified into Magnet programs versus the best-of-the-best, then whines when it doesn't work out - blaming parents, or poor people for not having money to pay for prep classes, or parents interfering with teachers - anyone but themselves.  It's disgusting and the majority of the Central Office, to include the Sup, need to be fired.[/quote]

The problem is not that there are less-qualified students getting into magnets but that there aren't enough magnet seats (or local-programming true equivalents) in the first place.  Far more kids can benefit from the kinds of curricula/teaching approaches offered in magnet programs than ever have been offered a seat.  It doesn't need to be only those that can get straight As while doing so or Real Genius types.[/quote]

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