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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]The kids who got into ivy 20 years ago would largely no longer be competitive today.[/quote]

Don't you think the Ivy students of 20 years ago would adapt to be competitive in the new landscape?[/quote]

The admission rates are much lower now.  Many more qualified applications.  It used to be relatively easy to get into Ivy compared to now.

There is no way, overall, they could just adapt.[/quote]

There is no evidence today's Ivy kids are smarter or more accomplished than the students of 20 or 30 years ago. Remember that SATs have been changed several times so today's scores are higher, not because kids are smarter.

There are more applicants today and in a sense it's become a case of selecting 5 from 100 equally qualified applicants versus 15 from 100, as was the case in 2000. But making it even more difficult is that the Ivies much more proactively engineer the student body to get the right diversity quotas, plus they all want a good international intake too. On top of that is the Asian "problem" meaning way more Asian American applicants today despite bring a small minority group relative to the other demographics (which is why aiming for proportional representation of black students is considered a worthwhile goal but proportional representation of Asian students is problematic). To fit in the desired quota of blacks and international while squeezing in enough Asians for the sake of avoiding blatant double standards and keeping the spaces for rich legacies and connected means the spaces available for your typical white and unconnected UMC applicant has fallen sharply relative to 20 and 30 years ago.

That is it in a nutshell. The Ivy kids aren't smarter. [b]They're just more socially engineered.[/b]

Many of those kids now go to Chicago, Vanderbilt, Carnegie Mellon, the elite LACs, the better flagship, etc. And will end up in the same place in the long run. [/quote]

Agree with everything that you wrote except for the bolded sentence--which I don't understand. Would you please elaborate ? Thank you in advance.[/quote]

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