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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Reminds me of Brett Kavanaugh: I worked my @ass off![/quote]

Um, by all accounts, he actually was hard-working and talented – he didn’t just land on the United States Supreme Court by accident. Same could be said for Trump – sure he started on third base, but by any measure was nonetheless very accomplished (galvanizing half the country to become POTUS, hello??).

Born on third and working hard are not mutually exclusive.[/quote]

The point is don't lie. If you got help say so.[/quote]

What is "help" though? I didn't grow up well off but my parents were immigrants and instilled in me self-motivation and the desire to hard work.

So do I still deserve what I got because of that? I worked hard but they made it "easy" for me because they gave me that mindset.[/quote]

Deserve has nothing to do with it.  Do hard-working poor people deserve to be poor?  [/quote]

If they had a bunch of kids out of wedlock with no money to support them…[/quote]

So you can basically ensure the kids, who did not Choose this, will continue along the same path of poverty?  I for one would like to help the kids and give them a path out of persistent poverty, having kids that are not planned, and give them a brighter future.  
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People who are capable of getting out generally do get out. We're now in, what, the third generation of extensive outreach into inner cities and dysfunctional rural areas and yet the same problems continue to persist. That doesn't mean we should suspend the outreach we have and become indifferent but we should also be realistic and have a frank understanding of the limitations too and not impose binaries.

It does seem like many progressive hold a stubborn outlook that everyone is capable of and deserves an upper middle class prosperity as a minimum and if you don't have it then somehow it's due to forces beyond your control. While it's true it's definitely an obstacle to be born in certain deprived circumstances, what are you really "owed" by society beyond access to basic housing and schooling and sustenance? You can't take someone from Anacostia or the hills of West Virginia and turn them into successful people simply by removing all barriers, whatever those might be. The Move to Opportunity under Obama has had minimal long term impact for individual outcomes beyond destabilizing working class suburbs. But even so I can continue to support the policy as breaking up areas of entrenched poverty is better, but once basic opportunities are provided, it really is up to the individual to make the most of it. Take DC. There are so many opportunities right in the district, even in DC schools, and programs to support job training and internships. But there's only so much that can be done and we still have a stubborn demographic that does not seem capable of advancing themselves no matter what. [/quote]
Upper middle class prosperity? Umm how about shelter, Equal access to education, food, and medical care? Holy crap….DCUM really is full of supposedly extremely smart but yet so profoundly ignorant people. [/quote]

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