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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]***SPOILERS***

I liked the series. I thought every actor was great. I think Sienna Miller is a timeless beauty. I am a woman. However, I am struggling with the way people are blatantly referring to both scenarios as rape. I think both scenarios are quite grey. I wanted there to be a definitive “no” uttered from both women but there wasn’t. It was hard to despise James because neither women uttered “no” or “stop”. And yes, in fact, Olivia did say she said not here which to me does imply “yes, I wanna bone you but not right here in the elevator.”

I am all about believing women but if we continue to put out narratives like this as being definitive rape, we are setting ourselves up for failure. I have a son and a daughter. I want my son to know about consent just as much as I want my daughter to use her voice and state definitively when she’s not comfortable in a situation. Yell loudly, “no! Stop! Rape!” So there can be no uncertainty from anyone.

While I’m on it, and expect to be flamed, I’m also unsure why James was being carted off by police at the end. Sure running away when your friend jumps to his death could “maybe” be a crime (failure to report?) but I don’t see what the charge would be, especially 20 years later with no eyewitnesses. Same goes for the Prime Minister. Again, I wanted to hate them both. The Libertine scenes screamed of images from Kavanaugh high school and college days. I just wanted it to be more black and white.[/quote]

It’s not difficult.

Teach your son that CONSENT means a person SAYING YES, not just not saying no.

Teach your son not to shove his penis inside anyone unless he has been invited to do so and is sure his partner is saying yes.

Teach your son that a drunk girl you literally just bumped into who consents you French kiss you isn’t automatically consenting to a penis being shoved inside her 39 second later with no discussion, no foreplay, no flirting, no nothing.

Literally NO ONE WANTS THAT.

The lack of consent is very clear…,when did he ever ask for consent?  When did you ever see any even slight indication that Holly Berry requested his penis inside her?

It scares me that you’re raising a boy and you think this is grey.[/quote]

Yes I agree with this. Most rape cases happen like they do in this show.  They happen because men push and push and push and push and maybe the girl was afraid to fight  back. Or maybe she thought no one would care. Or maybe she said no, but couldn't bring herself to scream it because at the time she couldn't believe what was actually happening. It is pretty obvious most of the time when someone doesn't want to do something. Even without words.

I was raped at 16. My situation was so similar to the situation at Uni in the show. It was really upsetting to watch. I said no and she said no in the show. It was so clear to me in the show she didn't want it.  I personally didn't scream because I thought no was enough and no one would have heard me anyway.  Then he was so much older than me and I was in the place I was by choice and then he kept pushing and pushing and eventually it felt safer to  check out and just let him do it. Coercion is NOT consent and women shouldn't have to scream in order to be heard. Men should be better.

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