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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][b]The qualities  of gifted and talented are by definition are present at birth and are equally distributed across race and socio-economic factors.[/b]

If your program actually selects for environments factors that favour middle class and predominantly white kids then you don’t fit the title and deserve to be abolished.

When these programs select low income Black, Hispanic and any kid with EFL at the proportion that they are present in the community then I will take them seriously. [/quote]

This is a nice sentiment, but it's belied by the evidence. It's common wisdom in the social sciences that IQ or "g" (general intelligence) is highly correlated with maternal education level.

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All four of my grandparents where only educated to 6 years old in Sri Lanka and now all 6 of their kids have post graduate degrees. So that’s bull. Give our least privileged citizens the resources and community driven high expectations that my parents got and the sky is the limit. It’s not expensive, they literally only needed textbooks pencils and paper. My dad still has his and used to tutor me from it.

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Agreed. I come from a poor country where some kids had to do homework by candlelight because of frequent power cuts. These kids also lacked basics like desks, paper, etc. Their mothers were illiterate and yet through sheer perseverance they were able to study and go to university. Of course these kids were the exception, not the rule. Most of their peers ended up poor and uneducated just like their parents. [/quote]

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